2 Questions On AI's

[retired]

Using file "biggs_field_kbif_ai-fs2004.zip". After creating flightplans,ect.,
this B52 on a tng approach lands first in the dirt next to runway and then continious onto the runway. How can this be corrected?

2) I have 2 f-16's and the B52. All a/c are setup as tng. Question: why
can you follow the B52 and watch it land, but the f-16's go out of sight for
no telling how long? The F-16 fly straight out and disappear.
How can I watch all 3 a/c making a tng landing?
Thank you

[mikewmac]

Using file "biggs_field_kbif_ai-fs2004.zip". After creating flightplans,ect.,
this B52 on a tng approach lands first in the dirt next to runway and then continious onto the runway. How can this be corrected?

2) I have 2 f-16's and the B52. All a/c are setup as tng. Question: why
can you follow the B52 and watch it land, but the f-16's go out of sight for
no telling how long? The F-16 fly straight out and disappear.
How can I watch all 3 a/c making a tng landing?
Thank you

retired,

Your AI B-52 problem probably occurs because that particular B-52 model and AI FDE combination won't allow a large AI like the B-52 to line up with the runway properly when flying a VFR pattern at that airport. Most large AI with more or less realistic AI FDE's are best flightplanned for IFR AI flights only.

Your AI F-16 problem is probably caused by the pattern altitude being too high at that airport for the AI F-16 to turn to the VFR base leg from the VFR downwind leg. My guess is that you have a Catch 22 going in that for the AI B-52 to fly a VFR pattern and even come close to aligning with the runway at that airport the pattern altitude has been set too high for the AI F-16 to turn to the VFR base leg from the VFR downwind leg.

BTW...The most appropriate pattern altitude to use for most airports is 1000 feet AGL and this pattern altitude should allow your AI F-16's to fly VFR TNG's from a 2000 foot pattern altitude since FS9 will automatically add 1000 feet to the pattern altitude setting for your AI F-16.

I hope this helps you sort out your problems.

Mike

[retired]

Appericate the reply Mike. I changed the B-52 from VFR to IFR and it worked perfect!!
On the F-16's, I had the alt at 050. Changed it to 010. Last seen, they are still heading for the sunset. Could I have a timing problem maybe?

Here is the aircraft and flightplan .txt:
AC#101,250,HTAI F16D Drag Chute HAF_347 Normal

AC#101,1,20%,4hr,vfr,09:12:15,tng09:17:15,010,f,0000,kcvs,09:17:15,09:32:15,010,f,0000,kcvs.
Again, thank you for your time and help.

[Garysb]

Could I have a timing problem maybe?

Here is the aircraft and flightplan .txt:
AC#101,250,HTAI F16D Drag Chute HAF_347 Normal

AC#101,1,20%,4hr,vfr,09:12:15,tng09:17:15,010,f,0000,kcvs,09:17:15,09:32:15,010,f,0000,kcvs.
Again, thank you for your time and help.

Yep

This should work

AC#101,1,20%,4hr,vfr,09:12:15,tng09:30:00,010,f,0000,kcvs


This is all you need


Gary

[BLACKCAT]

Are you watching the F-16s using Traffic View Board? I believe (there have been a number of threads on various message boards) that there is a bug in TVB that upsets MS's VFR programming. If you watch an aircraft take-off into the visual circuit it will fly downwind, lower the gear and just go on and on and on, never to return.

[mikewmac]

Appericate the reply Mike. I changed the B-52 from VFR to IFR and it worked perfect!!
On the F-16's, I had the alt at 050. Changed it to 010. Last seen, they are still heading for the sunset. Could I have a timing problem maybe?

Here is the aircraft and flightplan .txt:
AC#101,250,HTAI F16D Drag Chute HAF_347 Normal

AC#101,1,20%,4hr,vfr,09:12:15,tng09:17:15,010,f,0000,kcvs,09:17:15,09:32:15,010,f,0000,kcvs.
Again, thank you for your time and help.

Gary is correct. Just open up the the time interval so the AI F-16 has enough time to make it around the circuit and the second flightplan leg shouldn't be a TNG termination leg when you you are just having the AI F-16 fly VFR TNG's at one airport. Your flightplan entry above should read something like below which of course will give you 2 AI F-16 TNG flights 6 hours apart:

AC#101,1,20%,4HR,VFR,09:12:15,TNG09:27:15,020,F,0000,KCVS,15:17:15,TNG15:32:15,020,F,0000,KCVS.

The TNG09:27:15 can be any time larger than about 15 minutes after the ETD depending on how many TNG's you want the AI F-16's to fly. The TNG09:27:15 entry will probably only have them fly one TNG.

The pattern altitude that I mentioned above that should be set at 1000 feet is the pattern altitude in the AFCAD for that airport, not the flightplan entry. The best altitude to place in the flightplan for VFR TNG's for your AI F-16's is 2000 feet.

BLACKCAT is also correct in that Traffic View Board (TVB) has a problem following AI in the VFR pattern in that if you are in TVB's spot view following an AI it will never turn to the VFR base leg from the VFR downwind leg. The only way I know of to beat this is to switch to following another AI for a minute or 2 and then back to the AI on the extended downwind leg and it should now be turning to the base leg.

Mike

[aerogator]

The only way I know of to beat this is to switch to following another AI for a minute or 2 and then back to the AI on the extended downwind leg and it should now be turning to the base leg.

This is the way I do it also. Its pretty annoying but it works. Just be sure the a/c you switch to dosn't get out of range of the view distance you have set in TVB. Best is to put in on about 16mi.

[retired]

To Blackcat: I view by selecting the spot view in FS 9 and have the distance at 1500 and the altitude at 500. Plus I hit the minus key 3 or 4 times. This gives me a full view and I can watch the B52 make the complete circle.
Thank you for the reply. All help appericated.