WSMG F-16

Discussion, tutorials,hints and tips relating to designing military ai aircraft.
sean789
Second Lieutenant
Second Lieutenant
Posts: 16
Joined: 28 Mar 2020, 23:37
Version: FS9

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by sean789 »

MIKE JG wrote:
31 Mar 2020, 01:05
:smt003 You mean these......?
those look sexy!! :smt007

User avatar
Weescotty
MAIW Developer
MAIW Developer
Posts: 2377
Joined: 11 Aug 2006, 22:15
Version: FS9
Location: Sydney

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by Weescotty »

The P3D Indonesia Block 15 OCU 'package' is being tested.
Will include models and paints for the Indonesian AF.

You will need to provide flightplans for 12 aircraft.

One issue is the afterburner effect.
The one we have been using for the Falcons turns into a ball of fire at distance.
Rather than build one into the model I am going to leave it as a light in the aircraft config file.
That way when a better one comes along its an easier fix (one line change rather than recompile).

Meanwhile in progress USN Block 15 OCU Falcons ...
Attachments
USN.jpg

Joseph29
Colonel
Colonel
Posts: 1886
Joined: 20 Sep 2006, 20:35
Version: P3D
Location: Long Island New York

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by Joseph29 »

Looking forward to having F-16's in my P3D!

User avatar
Weescotty
MAIW Developer
MAIW Developer
Posts: 2377
Joined: 11 Aug 2006, 22:15
Version: FS9
Location: Sydney

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by Weescotty »

Indonesia package now available for download..

https://militaryaiworks.com/download-ha ... cu-for-p3d

TheFoufure
Lieutenant Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Posts: 1460
Joined: 06 Mar 2011, 16:48
Version: FS9
Location: Belgium

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by TheFoufure »

Weescotty wrote:
13 Apr 2020, 22:52
Indonesia package now available for download..

https://militaryaiworks.com/download-ha ... cu-for-p3d

Thanks a lot for this model. But, no more chance to have theses new F-16 in FS9 and FSX format ?

User avatar
Weescotty
MAIW Developer
MAIW Developer
Posts: 2377
Joined: 11 Aug 2006, 22:15
Version: FS9
Location: Sydney

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by Weescotty »

TheFoufure wrote:
14 Apr 2020, 05:04
Weescotty wrote:
13 Apr 2020, 22:52
Indonesia package now available for download..

https://militaryaiworks.com/download-ha ... cu-for-p3d

Thanks a lot for this model. But, no more chance to have theses new F-16 in FS9 and FSX format ?
Not sure yet.
FSX would be easier than FS9.
FS9 has double the LODs so it is a lot more work, and haven't looked at a FSX conversion as I haven't a guide at the moment.
I was very kindly provided a guide specifically written for the Falcon to convert it to P3D.

TheFoufure
Lieutenant Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Posts: 1460
Joined: 06 Mar 2011, 16:48
Version: FS9
Location: Belgium

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by TheFoufure »

Weescotty wrote:
14 Apr 2020, 05:57
TheFoufure wrote:
14 Apr 2020, 05:04
Weescotty wrote:
13 Apr 2020, 22:52
Indonesia package now available for download..

https://militaryaiworks.com/download-ha ... cu-for-p3d

Thanks a lot for this model. But, no more chance to have theses new F-16 in FS9 and FSX format ?
Not sure yet.
FSX would be easier than FS9.
FS9 has double the LODs so it is a lot more work, and haven't looked at a FSX conversion as I haven't a guide at the moment.
I was very kindly provided a guide specifically written for the Falcon to convert it to P3D.
Thanks for answer.

It's not the same base than WSMG F-16C block 52 available for FS9/FSX here on MAIW ?

It's not possible to compile them directly to FS9 ?

Thanks.

User avatar
Firebird
MAIW Admin
MAIW Admin
Posts: 10237
Joined: 11 Aug 2006, 21:04
Version: FS9
Location: EGLL

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by Firebird »

It is possible and I will be doing it, as long as Kev still wants me to.
After my puter troubles Kev took up looking at what was needed to make the models fit for P3D with Gavin and I did not want to break his concentration on that. In the mean time I have been aiding JY with his Navy birds.

It seems that one project has finished and the other is close so we should be back on track again shortly, if Kev wishes it.
Steve
_______________________________________________________
Image
Quid Si Coelum Ruat
_______________________________________________________

Joseph29
Colonel
Colonel
Posts: 1886
Joined: 20 Sep 2006, 20:35
Version: P3D
Location: Long Island New York

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by Joseph29 »

Thank you so much for the Indonesia Flacons! There are flightplans for them in the old MAIW Indonesian Hawks package.

User avatar
Weescotty
MAIW Developer
MAIW Developer
Posts: 2377
Joined: 11 Aug 2006, 22:15
Version: FS9
Location: Sydney

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by Weescotty »

TheFoufure wrote:
14 Apr 2020, 10:02
Weescotty wrote:
14 Apr 2020, 05:57
TheFoufure wrote:
14 Apr 2020, 05:04



Thanks a lot for this model. But, no more chance to have theses new F-16 in FS9 and FSX format ?
Not sure yet.
FSX would be easier than FS9.
FS9 has double the LODs so it is a lot more work, and haven't looked at a FSX conversion as I haven't a guide at the moment.
I was very kindly provided a guide specifically written for the Falcon to convert it to P3D.
Thanks for answer.

It's not the same base than WSMG F-16C block 52 available for FS9/FSX here on MAIW ?

It's not possible to compile them directly to FS9 ?

Thanks.
Almost, but enough differences to make it a PITA.
Block 15 has the lights on the main gear wheels, block 20 onwards have them on the front gear door.
Block 15 has a small front fin, block 25 onwards have the larger fwd fin.

Plus a few other bits and bobs.

TheFoufure
Lieutenant Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Posts: 1460
Joined: 06 Mar 2011, 16:48
Version: FS9
Location: Belgium

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by TheFoufure »

Weescotty wrote:
15 Apr 2020, 00:37
TheFoufure wrote:
14 Apr 2020, 10:02
Weescotty wrote:
14 Apr 2020, 05:57


Not sure yet.
FSX would be easier than FS9.
FS9 has double the LODs so it is a lot more work, and haven't looked at a FSX conversion as I haven't a guide at the moment.
I was very kindly provided a guide specifically written for the Falcon to convert it to P3D.
Thanks for answer.

It's not the same base than WSMG F-16C block 52 available for FS9/FSX here on MAIW ?

It's not possible to compile them directly to FS9 ?

Thanks.
Almost, but enough differences to make it a PITA.
Block 15 has the lights on the main gear wheels, block 20 onwards have them on the front gear door.
Block 15 has a small front fin, block 25 onwards have the larger fwd fin.

Plus a few other bits and bobs.
Hello,

Yes of course (I know the differences between Block's, it's my favorite acft). But I talk about base source files (Sorry, my English is not my native language and not perfect).

I would say if the source files are in the same language (GMAX, FSDS, ....) it could be possible to compile in all formats ? (FS9, FSX, P3D...)

User avatar
John Young
MAIW Developer
MAIW Developer
Posts: 2752
Joined: 12 Jul 2008, 15:15

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by John Young »

Unfortunately it's not the case of pressing a button in the design program to output the model in multiple formats. Gmax and FSDS, uses significantly different processes to build FS9 and FSX models. It's a lot of extra work to produce both formats and it's especially tricky to go backwards from FSX to FS9 source code because all the unique FSX features, like the animation tags in all the LODs, GUID and FriendlyName have to be removed. The animation pivot point directions might need changing and some animations will need to be removed. Unless that's all done thoroughly, the FS9 model won't compile.

John

User avatar
DaleRFU
Lieutenant Colonel
Lieutenant Colonel
Posts: 1415
Joined: 13 Mar 2009, 16:49
Version: P3D
Location: Adam AB, Oman

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by DaleRFU »

Lovely stuff Kevin, hope the project continues to grow.
Please visit my YouTube channel @ https://www.youtube.com/user/daledelboy

User avatar
Weescotty
MAIW Developer
MAIW Developer
Posts: 2377
Joined: 11 Aug 2006, 22:15
Version: FS9
Location: Sydney

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by Weescotty »

FSX would be the easiest.
I already have 3 base + furthest LOD as an FS9 file that I can use for FSX conversion.
This is just a basic model - no pylons, weapons, pilots, flags covers etc. (they are added in MCX)

For a proper FS9 model I would have to make some more LODs, 4 isn't enough for FS9.

FSX/ P3D I can use 400 - 100 - 50 - 10 LODs
FS9 I would have to add at least 200. Probably one more further down.

If I could use MCX to create the FS9 models the way I do for P3D it would speed things up. But I don't believe this is possible.

Yes Dale it is continuing.
I did have the USN Block 15 OCU aggressors ready...
But (yup theres a but) just found out most of the camos had changed and can't find an top down view of the new layout. Got the port and stbd sides.
I can release what I have but the camo schemes would be out of date.

EG The two B models with the blue 'splintered' camo, now just have a new standard layout. Doesn't look half as good.

User avatar
gsnde
MAIW Staff
MAIW Staff
Posts: 3557
Joined: 05 Apr 2007, 08:13
Version: P3D
Location: South-West Germany
Contact:

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by gsnde »

Leave the blue splintered, Kevin! Reality sucks...

From mobile hence short

Cheers,
Martin
________________________________________
ImageThe Owl's Nest * Military Aircraft Reference * ICAO Reference * Distance Calculator * MAIW, Military AI & UKMil Reference

User avatar
Weescotty
MAIW Developer
MAIW Developer
Posts: 2377
Joined: 11 Aug 2006, 22:15
Version: FS9
Location: Sydney

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by Weescotty »

Ok have left the camos as is, and given them to the guys to test.

Maybe an ADF next? Its a logical progression from the OCU versions.

User avatar
Weescotty
MAIW Developer
MAIW Developer
Posts: 2377
Joined: 11 Aug 2006, 22:15
Version: FS9
Location: Sydney

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by Weescotty »

Only two main users of the ADF version.
Thailand and Pakistan (US has one out of storage to be converted to a QF)
Attachments
ADF_Preview.jpg

User avatar
hschuit
MAIW Conversion Team
MAIW Conversion Team
Posts: 419
Joined: 20 Jul 2011, 07:25
Version: P3D
Location: Near EHSB

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by hschuit »

FYI: Portugal still has 19 ex USAF F-16A/B ADF's which were upgraded to MLU standard but kept the ADF tail fairing so externally they are the same as the ADF model above.

F-16AM serials 15101-15110, 15112-15117
F-16BM serials 15118-15120

source: Scramble Military Database

User avatar
Weescotty
MAIW Developer
MAIW Developer
Posts: 2377
Joined: 11 Aug 2006, 22:15
Version: FS9
Location: Sydney

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by Weescotty »

Will need another model.
The IFF upper nose bird slicers are different.

It's an
AM with a searchlight and ADF tail fairing.
BM with a searchlight (they never got a bulged tail fairing)

Both lost the lower (under intake) earlier bird slicers.

asdro
Captain
Captain
Posts: 295
Joined: 03 Mar 2015, 20:28
Version: FS9

Re: WSMG F-16

Post by asdro »

Please make also for FS9.

Post Reply