Swedish Gripens ?

[BurnersGo]

Hiya,

I have been busy working on the AFX Files for ESIB ( Satenas AB ), ESDF ( Kallinge AB ) and ESPA ( Kallax AB ) in Sweden and would like to populate them. I have found Graham King's C-130H repaints, and those work fine, now I'm wondering, whether anyone has made repaints for the MAIW Hungarian Gripens Package ?

That would be easiest.

Most other Swedish Gripens I've found are either not AI, or didn't work .....

Cheers

Sven

[Firebird]

We know a bit about Swedish Gripens.

I can't comment on whether the package will be hauled out of the garden shed and worked on again, especially as it was not my package. As for purely paint schemes I am not aware of any that have been released so far.

[maddog65]

We know a bit about Swedish Gripens.

Steve,
You might make him mad.

Les

[BurnersGo]

We know a bit about Swedish Gripens.

I can't comment on whether the package will be hauled out of the garden shed and worked on again, especially as it was not my package. As for purely paint schemes I am not aware of any that have been released so far.

Hmm, well, I found a few Gripen Repaints for AI-use in FS9, but those require two files called gripen.zip and gripen_ss.zip by Thinus Pretorius. Those I can't find back anywhere, perhaps they are too old ?!??!

If I had those two files, at least I could try and see if they work in FSX.

The other two I found were by Kazunori Ito, JAS39A & JAS39B. It's a full pack, but for some reason, it won't show up in FSX at all.

Now, the texture for the Thinus Pretorius one works partially with the MAIW Hungarian Gripens Package, as that everything except the fuselage shows a texture. The fuselage is black.

Perhaps someone could doctor the textures a bit to fix the issue ..... I'm afraid I have no experience whatsoever in texture design / repainting.

My field is more in AFX design .....

Cheers

Sven

[Firebird]

Hi Sven,

In simple terms the Thinus Pretorius model is not an AI model and it would hit your frame rates a lot. I did a quick check on avsim and found what you found - nothing. However a quick search on Fltsim.com for 'Thinus Pretorius' and did find the files, thay are named gripen3.zip and gripenss.zip if you really want to use them.

The reason why the paints for the Thinus model don't match exactly to Kevin's AI model is simply that it is an AI model. The scheme files wouldn't have the same name or mapping. To use that model you would need schemes produced for the specific model.

As for Mr Ito's models I can't help there as I don't have them nor do I have FSX but looking at the age of the model I see that it's made for FS2002/FS2004 so I guess that it might be incompatible with FSX.

I hope this helps.

[BurnersGo]

Hi Sven,

In simple terms the Thinus Pretorius model is not an AI model and it would hit your frame rates a lot. I did a quick check on avsim and found what you found - nothing. However a quick search on Fltsim.com for 'Thinus Pretorius' and did find the files, thay are named gripen3.zip and gripenss.zip if you really want to use them.

The reason why the paints for the Thinus model don't match exactly to Kevin's AI model is simply that it is an AI model. The scheme files wouldn't have the same name or mapping. To use that model you would need schemes produced for the specific model.

As for Mr Ito's models I can't help there as I don't have them nor do I have FSX but looking at the age of the model I see that it's made for FS2002/FS2004 so I guess that it might be incompatible with FSX.

I hope this helps.

Hi Steve,

thanks for the help !

I found the files, pretty big they are as well

11MB doesn't seem quite right for an AI aircraft

We'll see, I'll post results if I have any worth mentioning !

Cheers

Sven

[BurnersGo]

OK,

Steve, of course you were right. Those Gripens are a real frame-rate killer. I get down to about 10 fps, depending on the amount of aircraft that are parked @ ESIB.

But they DO show up !

Here's a shot of what a slapped together today using the ABO Library, Stock Airport Objects and Ground-Textures courtesy of Tileproxy !

Cheers

Sven

[IMG=http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1002/esibo.jpg][/IMG]

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

[Firebird]

Glad you got something there. You never know, one day we might be able to improve your framerates.

[BurnersGo]

OK, first attempt at a repaint :

No squadron markings or serial numbers yet. Just the basic look.



Doesn't look half bad, really .....

Cheers

Sven

PS : If anyone has a list of registrations for the Gripens, with their respective squadrons, I could make one paint for each aircraft .....

[james84]

OK, first attempt at a repaint :

No squadron markings or serial numbers yet. Just the basic look.



Doesn't look half bad, really .....

Cheers

Sven

PS : If anyone has a list of registrations for the Gripens, with their respective squadrons, I could make one paint for each aircraft .....

Not bad at all!
You can get the registrations from the photos on Airliners.net and insert them in the database featured on www.scramble.nl, it should tell which squadron the aircrafts belong.

[BurnersGo]

Not bad at all!
You can get the registrations from the photos on Airliners.net and insert them in the database featured on http://www.scramble.nl, it should tell which squadron the aircrafts belong.

Hi James,

thanks

I already started with www.scramble.nl, but it's a tedious job. You go through all the pics and write down the serials, then group them by unit / squadron. And you don't know whether all of them have been photographed ..... if anyone had a full list already available, that would make it much quicker

Cheers

Sven

[maddog65]

Try On Dutch Wings. http://www.ondutchwings.nl/db/sweden.php
The search is limited to 100 entries. But if you know each squadron you can search that way.

Type Serial Code C/n Wing Squadron Homebase Last Note Operator Remarks
JAS 39 39-1 39-1 i/a technical school Linköping-Vårdsberg 6.06 ex Flygvapnet
JAS 39 39-2 52 39-2 preserved museum Linköping-Malmslätt 8.06 ex Flygvapnet
JAS 39 39-3 53 39-3 FMV Linköping-Malmslätt 3.02 Flygvapnet
JAS 39 39-4 54 39-4 i/a technical school Halmstad 9.09 ex Flygvapnet
JAS 39 39-5 55 39-5 FMV Linköping-Malmslätt 8.04 Flygvapnet
JAS 39C 39-6 6 39-207 FMV Linköping-Malmslätt 5.08 Flygvapnet
JAS 39NG 39-7 39-803 SAAB AB Linköping-Malmslätt 7.10 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39101 51 39-101 FMV Linköping-Malmslätt 1.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39102 39-102 written off 8/Aug/1993 ex Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39103 103 39-103 FMV Linköping-Malmslätt 10.03 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39104 04 39-104 FMV FC Linköping-Malmslätt 6.02 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39105 105 39-105 i/a technical school Halmstad 10.03 ex Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39106 106 39-106 F7 Såtenäs 8.01 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39107 107 39-107 F7 Såtenäs 10.03 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39108 108 39-108 i/a technical school Halmstad 10.03 ex Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39109 09 39-109 F7 Såtenäs 9.00 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39110 10 39-110 F7 Såtenäs 6.00 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39111 11 39-111 i/a technical school Halmstad 10.03 ex Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39112 12 39-112 F7 Såtenäs 5.01 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39113 13 39-113 preserved Gate guard Såtenäs 5.10 ex Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39114 14 39-114 F7 Såtenäs 9.01 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39115 15 39-115 F7 Såtenäs 6.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39116 16 39-116 SAAB AB Såtenäs 6.01 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39117 17 39-117 F7 Såtenäs 8.01 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39118 18 39-118 F7 Såtenäs 8.01 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39119 19 39-119 F7 Såtenäs 10.03 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39120 120 39-120 F21 Luleå-Kallax 2.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39121 21 39-121 F7 Såtenäs 5.05 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39122 22 39-122 F7 Såtenäs 6.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39123 123 39-123 F7 Såtenäs 6.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39124 124 39-124 F7 Såtenäs 6.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39125 125 39-125 F21 Luleå-Kallax 2.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39126 126 39-126 F21 Luleå-Kallax 2.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39127 127 39-127 F21 Luleå-Kallax 2.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39128 28 39-128 F7 Såtenäs 3.05 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39129 129 39-129 F7 Såtenäs 8.04 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39131 131 39-131 F7 Såtenäs 5.10 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39132 132 39-132 F7 Såtenäs 9.08 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39133 133 39-133 F7 Såtenäs 5.08 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39134 134 39-134 FMV Linköping-Malmslätt 9.09 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39135 135 39-135 F21 Luleå-Kallax 5.08 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39136 136 39-136 F7 Såtenäs 6.10 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39137 137 39-137 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 6.08 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39138 138 39-138 F7 Såtenäs 6.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39139 139 39-139 F7 Såtenäs 5.08 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39140 140 39-140 F21 Luleå-Kallax 2.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39141 141 39-141 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 6.08 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39142 142 39-142 F7 Såtenäs 6.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39143 143 39-143 F7 Såtenäs 6.10 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39144 44 39-144 FMV Linköping-Malmslätt 9.03 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39145 145 39-145 F7 Såtenäs 6.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39146 146 39-146 F7 Såtenäs 5.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39147 147 39-147 F7 Såtenäs 6.08 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39148 148 39-148 F7 Såtenäs 6.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39149 149 39-149 F7 Såtenäs 6.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39150 150 39-150 F7 Såtenäs 5.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39151 151 39-151 F7 Såtenäs 6.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39152 152 39-152 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 8.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39153 153/G 39-153 F7 Såtenäs 5.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39154 154 39-154 F7 Såtenäs 6.10 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39155 155 39-155 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 10.05 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39156 39-156 written off 20-Sep-99 ex Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39157 157 39-157 F21 Luleå-Kallax 6.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39158 158 39-158 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 10.05 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39159 159 39-159 F7 Såtenäs 8.08 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39160 160 39-160 F7 Såtenäs 5.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39161 161 39-161 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 3.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39162 162 39-162 F7 Såtenäs 5.05 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39163 163 39-163 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 10.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39164 164 39-164 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 3.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39165 165 39-165 F7 Såtenäs 6.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39166 166 39-166 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 5.05 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39167 167 39-167 F7 Såtenäs 6.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39168 168 39-168 F7 Såtenäs 4.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39169 169 39-169 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 6.10 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39170 170 39-170 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 8.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39171 171 39-171 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 3.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39172 172 39-172 F7 Såtenäs 5.09 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39173 173 39-173 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 8.05 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39174 174 39-174 F7 Såtenäs 5.10 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39175 175 39-175 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 10.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39176 176 39-176 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 6.10 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39177 177 39-177 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 10.05 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39178 178 39-178 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 8.09 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39179 179 39-179 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 4.10 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39180 180 39-180 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 6.10 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39181 181 39-181 F7 Såtenäs 4.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39182 182 39-182 F7 Såtenäs 8.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39183 183 39-183 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 4.10 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39184 184 39-184 written off 1/Jun/2005 ex Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39185 185 39-185 F7 Såtenäs 6.07 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39186 186 39-186 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 10.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39187 187 39-187 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 8.04 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39188 188 39-188 F7 Såtenäs 6.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39189 189 39-189 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 1.11 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39190 190 39-190 F17 Ronneby-Kallinge 8.09 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39191 191 39-191 F7 Såtenäs 6.06 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39192 192 39-192 F7 Såtenäs 5.10 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39193 193 39-193 F7 Såtenäs 5.10 Flygvapnet
JAS 39A 39194 194 39-194 F21 Luleå-Kallax 6.07 Flygvapnet

[shaggy22]

Looks like someones gonna be a bit busy.

[BurnersGo]

Try On Dutch Wings. http://www.ondutchwings.nl/db/sweden.php
The search is limited to 100 entries. But if you know each squadron you can search that way.

Nice ! That's what I'm talking about.

Now, last question :

I've found a couple of fonts that come close, but none that exactly matches the one used by the Swedish Air Force.

The "4" specifically is hard to get, because it is "open", and the front bar slants all the way over the vertical bar.

Most fonts I've found don't slant that far over.

Anyone have an idea ?

Example :

[Joecoastie]

I started on a repaint last night also. Got sleepy and went to bed. Today and tomorrow gotta work, but will continue, maybe can split up some of the paints. Was gonna try the one with the blue paw/claw mark also.
Joe

[BurnersGo]

I started on a repaint last night also. Got sleepy and went to bed. Today and tomorrow gotta work, but will continue, maybe can split up some of the paints. Was gonna try the one with the blue paw/claw mark also.
Joe

LOL ! Yeah, know the feeling

Well, if you want to give the special paints a go, feel free. There are a few on Airliners.net.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Sweden-- ... /M/%2039-7

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Sweden-- ... /%2039-802

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Sweden-- ... /%2039-131

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Sweden-- ... /%2039-132

Also, I think splitting the work will help, as I work shifts and will take some time to complete my repaints. I have started with F 7 / Satenas AB ( ESIB ), so perhaps you could do Kallax ( F 21 ) or Ronneby ( F 17 ) ?!

Cheers

Sven

[MIKE JG]

These repaints have already been done if you want to save yourself the work.

[DaleRFU]

Is that a hint Mike or are they for general download?

[Joecoastie]

Okay ! On to other projects! Maybe I'll even fly somewhere tonight.

[MIKE JG]

Here's the scoop on this package and its current status:

Back in 2007 I started work on this package when Kevin created the model. The original intent was to do the package in two or three parts. The first part was to be the Gripens of F7 based at Satenas AB and includes the C-130s that are based there as well. I even created scenery for Satenas AB based on what few pictures existed of the base. (The Swedes are very secretive about their military). I finished the scenery and the rest of the stuff required for Satenas. However in creating the package and doing the serial number research for the F7 based Gripens, I realized that the number of aircraft that are part of that unit far exceeds the real life parking capacity of Satenas AB. So that presented a problem in that I have all these Gripens and not enough parking spaces to host them all. So I began seeking alternative places to place them for the package. So between John Stinstrom and I, we managed to create even more custom scenery for this package by creating the base at Uppsala where the Swedes do their tactical training. In addition to this, Mike MacIntyre created the FDE for this model so that the aircraft can land in the 800m that the Swedes use to land on their network of highway bases throughout the country.

So between Satenas, Uppsala and a custom made highway base that I made, plus sending about 7 Gripens to the UK for the week, I managed to fit them all in to Satenas even though the place looks like it's overflowing with Gripens.

Then we started some basic testing and we quickly realized that the custom made highway base was in a different place on pretty much everyone's individual FS9 setup. I made the base using a road network that is default in FS9. It also uses default terrain mesh for that part of the world. However anyone who has anything other than default road networks or terrain mesh in that part of Sweden will not see the highway base in the correct location. So once I realized that, I pretty much scrapped the idea for a highway base. That then left me with 6 Gripens that had no place to park at Satenas. So that was the first monkey wrench in the package that brought its progress to a halt.

Since then I've moved on to different things with the intent of one day getting back to this package to get it finished. Kevin made a lot of customized loadouts for just these Swedish Gripens so they absolutely will get released sometime soon, either in a finished package or not.

Since this package was first started, we've since moved to our standard MAIW scenery libraries. So the scenery in this package, does not conform to those libraries and duplicates a lot of files. So that needs to be sorted out if this is going to get into an official MAIW package.

Then when I started picking this package up again I realized that in the two years since, the serials for the F7 Gripens had probably changed. So a quick check revealed that indeed many of them had changed and we can no longer be certain which aircraft are flying and which are not. So now I'm faced with picking out some aircraft to simply remove from the package. In addition, new textures had to be created which is where this package currently is.

So my intentions now are to release Satenas and Uppsala with the aircraft and go from there. But before I do that, I have to sort out the scenery first since we combined Satenas, Uppsala and Malmen (John did that base as well) all into a single folder which won't work now.

So.........hang in there.