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Re: Windows 10

Posted: 21 Nov 2019, 09:43
by Weescotty
If you have a copy of the install keys you should be able to get a lot back.
Office is tricky, after you reinstall and put in the key it may fail to activate. You should be able to select activate by telephone and follow the automatic stuff through.
If you have the keys for FSDS quite a few of us still have the install files.

Re: Windows 10

Posted: 22 Nov 2019, 14:20
by Firebird
The problem I have is that a lot of the keys were lost quite a few years ago when there was a mail system corruption. So I was relying on the backups.

On office it doesn't recognise the key, either automatically or via the phone system, I tried it as I needed to replace the one on the laptop anyway so I experimented.
It seems that either 2013 keys are not kept or the fact that it was never associated with an outlook/hotmail account is the issue.

I have been speaking to Acronis for 4 days and it seems that they are of the opinion that something went wrong in he 2019 to 2020 update and the backups contain the files but the system can't see them to recover them.

Upshot is a long, laborious, costly exercise.

Re: Windows 10

Posted: 27 Nov 2019, 02:56
by Weescotty
You may be lucky with the software.
As long as you can prove you bought it, they may replace your install key.
I had lost all my Ultimate Traffic details (to get the cheap upgrade to Live), but some emails to and fro with the publishers got me my original key back.

Re: Windows 10

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 16:01
by Firebird
This is basically the route I have to go. Unless I get a sudden piece of luck I will have to start adding program keys from scratch. God knows how I will get some things like Ultraedit as the version I used was so out of date they will probably not supply one even if they have kept it.

Re: Windows 10

Posted: 29 Jan 2020, 16:57
by Firebird
OK well I think that I can safely say that I am now fully backup and running.
It had taken me a long time to search out proggies and keys and get everything back.

I learned a couple of useful things along the way.

Firstly the whole issue was caused by TrueImage 2020. When they looked into my situation they found that some non-working alpha version got put on their internal server and this was compiled and made available as an upgrade.
How do I know this? Well they sent out an email to all their users saying that it was an internal server issue and that everybody should upgrade to a newer problem free version and then wipe out their current backups and start again as no recoveries were possible.
Just my bad luck to try a restore at that time.

Under the system instigated under W10 I can confirm that you don't need to keep track of your windows key as it is stored online. This is the reason that as part of an installation/recovery you have to specify your MS account email. This is where it is stored.

One or two other things I found did not install. My very old version of ExamDiff Pro wouldn't install so I had to buy the latest version.
My old version of UltraEdit needed to be replaced with the latest version, but at least I got to finish my fs9.cfg wordfile for the program and the latest version has a dark mode which is nice.

Also one program that the OS said had an incompatible installer was AircraftContainerManager, ACM, which is very old and hasn't been developed for years. However, what i did find was that although it wouldn't install it would run quite happily without needing the registry. In effect a portable app. So for everyone still using this just keep a backup of the installation folder and you will be OK if bad things happen.

One weird thing occurred. I was completely unable to install FS9. Now thinking about it now it could be that I have two monitors and this is what was throwing the initial start out. Don't forget it was released before people used multiple monitors.
What I was able to do was use a copy of a clean installation that I kept as a backup and copied that over and then use Martins registration checking tool to add the reg entries.

I then had an issue with one addon scenery file which meant that FS9 hung at the selection window. No aircraft appeared no buttons would respond. A solution was found for that but it seems that a clean system is slightly different from an upgraded system from W7.
The scenery worked perfectly well before the wipe but afterwards it hung on a file that had nothing in it, a 0 KB file.

Also I found that my version of Office pre-dated their current registration scheme and refused to recognise the key, so i had to buy a new version.

In the end , I had to buy 3 bits of software UltraEdit, ExamDiff Pro and Office 2016 at a cost of around £160.

The reason that it took so long to recover was basically trying to resource the original installer programs and their keys.
Taking advantage of the situation I took the trouble to create an 'ARCHIVE' folder on partition that was not on the disk that has the boot partition on it, an external USB drive could also be used. In this I placed all of the installer proggies and the necessary keys. So if it happens again I can rebuild the 'puter again from scratch in hours not months.

You never know some of this may be useful to somebody out there.

Re: Windows 10

Posted: 29 Jan 2020, 20:49
by Weescotty
Hi Steve,
FS9 - Problem as far as I am aware is that it uses Safedisk.
Funnily, I use a BluRay player as my internal CD/DVD drive, and although it was slow to install, install it did.

Re: Windows 10

Posted: 29 Jan 2020, 21:08
by TimC340
Hi Steve. Sorry I didn't come back earlier - I had to source a new DVD drive and then find time to try installing FS9 on Win10 Build 1909. I can report that it went perfectly, and the patches to 9.1 and NoCD were also painless. This was a clean installation of Win10 in December (I think it was 1903 at the time).

Re: Windows 10

Posted: 29 Jan 2020, 21:33
by Firebird
That is what I understood you could do, Tim.
It installed fine but when when you went into an option to create a flight it just went mental and threw programs and icons all over the place and of course altered the desktop size, and hung.
I tried that a couple of times.
I have said to a couple of others that maybe I should have discnnected the second monitor and tried, but I didn't think of it at the time.

Re: Windows 10

Posted: 30 Jan 2020, 05:26
by TimC340
I haven’t tried with a second monitor, but everything works just fine with my 34” QHD monitor.

Re: Windows 10

Posted: 30 Jan 2020, 07:20
by Firebird
FS9 is so old that I think that it may well be the case but I can't prove it unless I go through the install process again, which i might try - if I get really bored.

Re: Windows 10

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 07:05
by John Young
I have to admit to being one of those Windows 10 sceptics, but having received my new W10 PC last Friday, set it up and had a play with it, I’m actually quite delighted with the system.

The customisation and the transfer of all my programs from my Windows 7 PC took about 30 hours (a reason in itself to take and store a complete image), but everything went well, including e-mail with “Mailwasher”at the front end, Chrome, MS Office, FS9, FSX, P3Dv4, Gmax and the rest of my design programs. Even programs that are more than 10 years old installed without a problem. FS9 runs just as it did with Windows 7, with the “no-CD” patch of course. FSX and P3Dv4 look even better with the new graphics card. I think in all probability it was an easier transfer than Windows XP to Windows 7. My thanks to Steve for his hints and tips that he gave me while I was waiting for the PC to arrive.

Some features are buried, but what surprised me is how good the system is at finding them – it bends over backwards to help you. Having found and "iconized" what I use regularly, I have a desktop very similar in layout to my Windows 7 one, but with a different picture to ring the changes.

The system is always connected to the Microsoft mother ship and it does seem to be updating regularly. I guess I just have to wait for the first major update in 2020 to see if it creates any problems.

I’ve done a bit of work on the E-2 Hawkeye model with Gmax this morning and I’m pleased to say that it was all fine, including the export to the sim.

So, apprehension over, I"m back in business.


Re: Windows 10

Posted: 13 Feb 2020, 08:44
by TimC340
Good news, John. It’s worth setting up the update preferences so that Win10 doesn’t take you by surprise by shutting things down to update when you’re in the middle of something. That may have been modified in the later builds, but it was certainly an issue in earlier ones.

I have to say that I find Win10 excellent; it has pretty much brought me back into the PC fold after years of Macs!