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Ten for Ten Part 1: 632 VGS Ternhill

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Ten for Ten Part 1: 632 VGS Ternhill

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We celebrate the tenth anniversary of Military AI Works with no less than ten (how appropriate) packages all released during this month. Our first of ten gifts for you is a package from Gary Barker who has been a part of our team from the very beginning: the 632 Volunteer Gliding Squadron at RAF Ternhill!

Read more about this package in this article.

Stay tuned for our next tenth anniversary release coming very, very soon! :-D

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I learned to fly in my grandfathers Grob 109B at Avra Valley in Arizona, so any package with these in it is a little bit special.
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While a nice package from Gary it is my understanding that all the Vigilant's have been grounded for some time due to technical issues regarding safety concerns so now a retro package.
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True, but retro has many friends.. :)
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My college had had a few till they had to import parts. This was the highlight for the students. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vVWC6GSD5w
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So this is a retro package now?

PS: Happy anniversary MAIW! :smt113
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Hi Joseph29,
The aircraft have been grounded since April 2014 due to maintenance records having been destroyed somehow so they are no longer deemed airworthy. It was hoped to get some back in the air but the cost appears to be prohibitive.
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A little update for Ternhill.
The AFD in attach, corrects some small issues with grass between RNY10 and taxiways.
A new version of the package, containing the update, will be available in short time.
If you don't want to re-download the full package, download this and overwrite the original one.

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swp53 wrote:Hi Joseph29,
The aircraft have been grounded since April 2014 due to maintenance records having been destroyed somehow so they are no longer deemed airworthy. It was hoped to get some back in the air but the cost appears to be prohibitive.
Thanks. I think I will skip this package. I like to have my sim as up to date as possible.
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swp53 wrote:
Hi Joseph29,
The aircraft have been grounded since April 2014 due to maintenance records having been destroyed somehow so they are no longer deemed airworthy. It was hoped to get some back in the air but the cost appears to be prohibitive.

Not totally true
Air Cadet Aviation Relaunch:Written Parliamentary statement - HCWS605
In April 2014 all Air Cadet Organisation gliding was paused due to airworthiness concerns with the Grob Viking conventional glider and Grob Vigilant motorglider fleets utilised by the Air Cadet Volunteer Gliding Squadrons (VGS).

Substantial operational, technical and commercial negotiations with a range of aerospace leaders in this field have failed to find a value for money approach to successfully repair and recover all 146 gliders. Consequently a comprehensive Air Cadet Organisation review has proposed restructuring this activity. It has been decided that the best value for money solution is to recover at least 73 Vikings, a reduced Vigilant fleet of up to 15 aircraft, combined with an uplift to Grob Tutor fixed wing Air Experience Flights (AEFs).

The reduced glider fleet will be operated by significantly fewer, but larger, VGS, which will have a regional focus and be better integrated with synthetic training and increased AEF locations. The number of Grob Tutor aircraft beyond 2017 for AEF/ University Air Squadron (UAS) use will go from 45 to 70 airframes, enabling the enlargement of existing AEFs and the formation of two new AEFs. Regional VGS hubs, which have the facility to provide overnight accommodation, will be also created across the UK.

The Volunteer Gliding Squadrons that are due to be disbanded are: 611 Squadron currently based at RAF Honington, 612 Squadron currently based Dalton Barracks (Abingdon), 613 Squadron currently based at RAF Halton, 616 Squadron currently based at RAF Henlow, 618 Squadron currently based at RAF Odiham, 624 Squadron currently based at RMB Chivenor, 633 Squadron currently based at RAF Cosford, 634 Squadron currently based at MOD St Athan, 635 Squadron currently based at RAF Topcliffe, 636 Squadron currently based at Swansea Airport, 642 Squadron currently based at RAF Linton-on-Ouse, 662 Squadron currently based at RMB Arbroath, 663 Squadron currently based at Kinloss Barracks and 664 Squadron currently based at Newtownards.

The Volunteer Gliding Squadrons that are due to be retained are the Central Gliding School and 644 Squadron currently based at RAF Syerston, 614 Squadron currently based at MDP Wethersfield, 615 Squadron currently based at RAF Kenley, 622 Squadron currently based at Trenchard Lines Upavon, 626 Squadron currently based at RNAS Predannack, 631 Squadron currently based at RAF Woodvale, 632 Squadron currently based at RAF Ternhill, 637 Squadron currently based at RAF Little Rissington, 661 Squadron currently based at RAF Kirknewton and 645 Squadron currently based at Topcliffe (from October 2019). 621 Squadron currently based at Hullavington will be retained at RNAS Merryfield.

As part of this process, a number of regional gliding hubs are to be created. We also expect that 2 new Air Experience Flights will be created, 13 AEF and 14 AEF. It is anticipated that 14 AEF will be located in Northern Ireland.

While work is undertaken to set up this new structure, the future locations of these Squadrons remains subject to the outcome of MOD estate rationalisation due to announce later this year. While it is likely that many Squadrons will remain at their current locations, we are working to ensure that, where this is not the case, flying opportunities will be made available to Cadet Units within their region and any new locations will be as geographically close to the existing locations as possible.

We recognise that this means that some uncertainty will remain for our cadets, but we are confident that this new structure will maximise flying opportunities for them.

As VGS are run by volunteer staffs, this will not result in any job losses, albeit volunteering options will be affected. The RAF is extremely grateful for the volunteers that support each VGS; without this support Air Cadet gliding would not be possible. Consequently we will develop a crossover plan which will enable many volunteer gliding instructors who become surplus on affected VGS to convert to Viking; transfer to a formally established ground cadre within a VGS; transfer their instructional skill sets into the units of the mainstream Air Cadet Organisation; or to retrain to fly the Grob Tutor in the expanded AEF construct.

The RAF remains committed to Air Cadet flying and will ultimately increase investment in the VGS and AEF sites which will remain to include the provision of residential accommodation for cadets and staff. This will enable those cadet units which have to travel greater distances to the VGS to undertake a residential weekend, with better associated force development and ground training opportunities alongside the gliding and flying. With the introduction of glider simulators, funded by the RAF Charitable Trust, the Air Cadet Organisation have developed a common syllabus for cadet flying which better integrates and allocates cadet flying opportunities between realistic synthetic flight simulation, glider flying and an uplift of AEF flights.


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Hi Gary,
Re the Vigilant T.1 I stand by my statement that they are grounded, what was hoped and what has happened are two different things.
The following Quote is from an article from June 2016 by Air Vice Marshall, Andy Turner, RAF, AOC 22 (Trg) Gp titled "Putting the air in the Air Cadets at 75"
"In sum, as we entered the Air Training Corps' 75th anniversary, we were faced with a challenge that could not be ignored. The gliders were grounded for sound reasons and it was simply not an option to continue to operate without an assured safety case in place. Two years of technical analysis led to a difficult position where the cost of Vigilant recovery was actually greater than the acquisition of new aircraft and so the RAF senior leadership resolved to field a new system instead"
The full article can be found here:
http://www.pprune.org/attachments/milit ... 5-copy.pdf
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I believe that they now have a few at Syerston that are now airworthy and being used for crew training


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Indeed, and ewhatever the current state of the real Vigilant fleet, I welcome their virtual representation. I hope all the former VGS units eventually make it into our virtual world, as intended..

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We will try
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Guys, i did a load of these last year if they can be used, im not sure what is where now though as there is always change in the RAF, i ended up with!

4 at Chivenor
3 at Cosford
4 at Dalton Baracks
3 at Halton
2 at Honington
2 at Kinloss
3 at Linton
3 at Newtownards
4 at Odiham
2 at Rissington
2 at St Athan
2 at Swansea
9 at Syserston
4 at Ternhill via Garys pack
8 at Topcliffe
5 at Woodvale

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How about that, Gary?
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I have them all it just needs sorting out, Halton, Henlow, Little Rissington, Syerston and Abingdon are done with custom scenery Woodvale is a rejig of some earlier stuff as is chivenor. They just needs sorting out

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