Ten for Ten Part 3: USMC Ospreys

[Greg]

We continue John Young's amazing new AI V-22 Osprey series with the MV-22B's of the United States Marine Corps based at MCAS Miramar and Yuma. This is part three of our tenth anniversary celebrations.

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[Joseph29]

Question, can I put all of the V-22's in one folder? Or does it has to be the USAF in one folder, the USMC in another folder, and the presidential ones in another folder?

[Joseph29]

Also there is no FS9 traffic file for Yuma. There is a FSX one in the FSX Traffic Files folder but no FS9 traffic file.

Edit: never mind, the traffic file MAIW_Yuma_MCAS_FSX.bgl is for the Yuma Harriers. I thought it was for the V-22's.

[John Young]

I'd read the Miramar manual first Joseph. Para 6 refers to the FSX traffic files. Yes you can put all the V-22s in one folder so long as you amalgamate the aircraft.txt entries. With two more V-22 packages to come though, I'd probably wait until you have them all. I started that way, but it was getting difficult to manage, so I split them out. That would become even more complex if people here start producing other V-22 units to add to what we have already.

[bismarck]

Hi all. Aircraft exiting from runway 24R at first available taxiway, stay freezed at the Hold short node and don't go to the parking. Only me?

Giorgio

[John Young]

Just tested the 17.50 GMT departures with Ospreys flying the Miramar circuit Giorgio. First in was a returning F-18 Hornet that took the second exit from 24R followed by two V-22s who both exited at the first exit. All three aircraft paused at the hold and then moved off to park without any problems.

John

[bismarck]

Thanks John. Can't understand what's wrong on my setup
Giorgio

[Firebird]

Hmmm.
I get the same problem. Checked it 4 times. Will investigate.

[bismarck]

Same problem with 24L. Try to move the Hold short node closer to the runway, nothing. Aircraft don't receive radio call. Deleting the exits, aircraft regularly exit runways from the second taxiways.
Giorgio

[John Young]

Giorgio, what date and time are you observing this please?

John

[jimrodger]

Getting some of the Ospreys vanishing as they hit the runway. Sim time Wednesday - 1940Z.

Lots of parking available...

Just had a look at the AFCAD in ADE advises of a BGLComp error that relates to Parking Indexes- (as advised on the fault Finder)

"In FS9 the Compiler will fail if any parking spots with an index greater than 254 contain airline codes. This spot 269 has airline codes V268 assigned to it."

There are a few with the same Fault Type, and a few with Duplicate Parking fault type.

Possibly contributing to the prob?....

Jim

Oddly as well, I was monitoring ATC whilst checking the above....For takeoff the runway assigned is 24R as expected...on landing all the calls are for 24L but they still all land on 24R. Is this just an FS9ism or have I misread how it should be?

[Firebird]

I have done some testing this morning and I have had no joy by adding extra nodes.
The other thing that I have noticed is that the aircraft never gets the call to contact Ground when it turns off the runway and it never calls.

Still investigating.

*EDIT*
I just replaced the one John supplied with one that was made for the Hornets there and had less parking, 285 spots. The same result happens so it is not something that John has done it is something inherent in the design he used. Now the tricky part of figuring out what. The thing that is confusing me is how it works for John. Unless its a FS9/FSX issue.

[bismarck]

Giorgio, what date and time are you observing this please?

John

I'll check when I come back home.

Getting some of the Ospreys vanishing as they hit the runway.

Also for me.

Just had a look at the AFCAD in ADE advises of a BGLComp error that relates to Parking Indexes- (as advised on the fault Finder)

"In FS9 the Compiler will fail if any parking spots with an index greater than 254 contain airline codes. This spot 269 has airline codes V268 assigned to it."

There are a few with the same Fault Type, and a few with Duplicate Parking fault type.

Possibly contributing to the prob?....

I don't think so. Otherwise the aircraft don't go to the parking as happen after I've closed the exits from 24L and 24R.

And, just to add other weird behaviour... I saw a couple of Mentor exiting from the first taxiway on 24R, and go to their parking spots...

Giorgio

[Firebird]

The vanishing when they hit the runway means that they have crashed.
Normally this happens when the landing speed is lower than their stall speed. The fact that it only happens occasionally means that the approach speed is right on the stall limit.
This can be cured with a small adjustment and once we get to the bottom of the parking issue I will get onto that.

[JohnTenn]

The return to park problem has to do with the fact that the outbound and inbound Ospreys use the same taxi line. Outbound traffic is being given priority.

My Afcad is different so it is not afcad specific.

The solution is to force the traffic onto different routes.
Break the link to the apron. Indicated and circled.

This is also why the F-18's continue to their parking spots.

John

[Firebird]

Thanks for the info, John.
I tried it but it made no difference. The landing aircraft stayed in the same place, although the departing aircraft did take a different route to the runway. Still no comms after landing.

Is your afcad for our MAIW scenery? If it is would you mind sending me a copy so I can try and see any other differences that you may have that resolve the issue.

[JohnTenn]

Steve.

I made this from scratch. I had to move all objects except the tower complex.

No objects included. Still work in progress.

John

[Firebird]

Ta. I can use this to test.

[Firebird]

OK I can confirm that John's afcad works but it does not have as many parking spots as the published one, as in he hasn't done them all yet.

What I have done is amended the parking on JYs to eliminate potential problems but it is still not working, but will keep going at it tomorrow a.m.

On the fde side of things I am testing a fix, as part of my afcad testing, and will publish it tomorrow as it does seem to be a solution that does not have a knock on effect.

[bismarck]

Here my test.
Deleted all traffic files for Miramar. I've only few visitors from other packages.
Create a FP for test with T-34; T-38; A-4 and V-22. All of them make a circuit both in VFR and IFR.
All aircraft contact the tower for taxing to the runway.
None of them ask for the clearance for take-off
None of them ask the authorization for landing
All of them exit at the first taxiway
T-34:T-38 and A-4 ask for the parking and when authorized, vanish. Could be related to duplication of parking spot?
V-22 exit a the first taxiway, but do not contact the Tower

May be some problem with Comms? What are the SOCAL frequencis? What/where is SOCAL?

Giorgio