The website and forum will be intermittently unavailable while we're making some security updates.
File uploads to the download hangar are also disabled until further notice.

AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Since Matrix support is now terminated, this forum is now locked and will soon be archived.
Locked
Speedbird5
Cadet
Cadet
Posts: 6
Joined: 25 Jan 2019, 09:10
Version: P3D

AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by Speedbird5 »

Hi, I noticed AI RAAF F-18s and maybe other AI aircraft flying around with their canopies open. This was near RAAF Williamtown YWLM.
Is there a fix for this behaviour?
Does this happen elsewhere?
User avatar
Firebird
MAIW Admin
MAIW Admin
Posts: 12111
Joined: 11 Aug 2006, 21:04
Version: FS9
Location: EGLL

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by Firebird »

Can you confirm which models from which downloaded archive you are using please?
Steve
_______________________________________________________
Image
Quid Si Coelum Ruat
_______________________________________________________
Speedbird5
Cadet
Cadet
Posts: 6
Joined: 25 Jan 2019, 09:10
Version: P3D

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by Speedbird5 »

The models which come with the latest Matrix installation for P3D which is up to date. No other AI downloads added.
User avatar
Firebird
MAIW Admin
MAIW Admin
Posts: 12111
Joined: 11 Aug 2006, 21:04
Version: FS9
Location: EGLL

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by Firebird »

OK thanks for that. The relevant people will now investigate.

Can you just confirm which version of P3D you are using please?
Steve
_______________________________________________________
Image
Quid Si Coelum Ruat
_______________________________________________________
Speedbird5
Cadet
Cadet
Posts: 6
Joined: 25 Jan 2019, 09:10
Version: P3D

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by Speedbird5 »

P3D v4.4
User avatar
Greg
MAIW Admin
MAIW Admin
Posts: 4043
Joined: 12 Aug 2006, 19:56
Version: MSFS
Location: Belgium

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by Greg »

I never witnessed such behaviour, but it's been a while since I visited Australia so I'll have another look when I can.
User avatar
gavinc
MAIW Conversion Team
MAIW Conversion Team
Posts: 556
Joined: 25 Aug 2013, 09:26
Version: FSX

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by gavinc »

Are they flying around with the canopy open all the time or do you see the canopy open and close?

Gavin
Speedbird5
Cadet
Cadet
Posts: 6
Joined: 25 Jan 2019, 09:10
Version: P3D

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by Speedbird5 »

From memory the canopy opens and stays open. I am not able to check but will do in a couple of days when I get home
Speedbird5
Cadet
Cadet
Posts: 6
Joined: 25 Jan 2019, 09:10
Version: P3D

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by Speedbird5 »

Here are three screenshots along with the date and time at YWLM

The canopy is initially closed, then it opens and stays open.

User avatar
hschuit
MAIW Developer
MAIW Developer
Posts: 594
Joined: 20 Jul 2011, 07:25
Version: P3D
Location: Near EHSB

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by hschuit »

I did not convert the Australian Hornets but after opening one in MCX I think I know what the problem is. The animation tag which controls the canopy has the unwanted side effect that the canopy opens in full flight when the aircraft flies above 10,000 feet:

(A:LIGHT NAV,bool) if{ (A:LIGHT LANDING, bool) ! if{ 50 } els{ 0 } }

I guess someone missed the fact that AI traffic landing lights are off above 10,000 feet.

I mostly use the following tag which ensures the canopy is only open if engines are not running and during the pre/post flight stage:

(A:LIGHT RECOGNITION,bool) if{ 0 } els{ (A:LIGHT NAV,bool) if{ 50 } els{ 0 } }

If you want the model to taxi with canopy open you caould use something like this but Hornets almost always taxi with closed canopies:

(A:LIGHT STROBE,bool) if{ 0 } els{ (A:LIGHT NAV,bool) if{ (A:VELOCITY BODY Z, knots) 25 < if{ 50 } } els{ 0 } }

Henk.
User avatar
gavinc
MAIW Conversion Team
MAIW Conversion Team
Posts: 556
Joined: 25 Aug 2013, 09:26
Version: FSX

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by gavinc »

Graham did this conversion, let me chat with him about fixing the issue.

Gavin
User avatar
campbeme
MAIW Staff
MAIW Staff
Posts: 3293
Joined: 24 Jun 2007, 11:58
Version: FSX

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by campbeme »

The Australian F18, were modified from Nick blacks originals for Australia FS9 packages to taxi with open canopy, as this is a regular thing down under.
Mark
User avatar
gavinc
MAIW Conversion Team
MAIW Conversion Team
Posts: 556
Joined: 25 Aug 2013, 09:26
Version: FSX

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by gavinc »

Graham was aware of the issue, had fixed it and uploaded the updates last summer. Unfortunately they got missed when the package was released (stuff happens).

He has a family thing that requires his attention but has sent me the updates. I will co-ordinate with Greg/Martin to get them released.

These models will taxi with the canopy open. As Mark noted this is SOP for the Australian Hornets.

thanks
Gavin
User avatar
Firebird
MAIW Admin
MAIW Admin
Posts: 12111
Joined: 11 Aug 2006, 21:04
Version: FS9
Location: EGLL

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by Firebird »

Many thanks for coordinating that, Gavin.
Steve
_______________________________________________________
Image
Quid Si Coelum Ruat
_______________________________________________________
User avatar
gsnde
MAIW Admin
MAIW Admin
Posts: 4380
Joined: 05 Apr 2007, 08:13
Version: P3D
Location: South-West Germany
Contact:

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by gsnde »

I will update the package tonight.

From mobile hence short

Cheers,
Martin
________________________________________
The Owl's Nest * Military Aircraft Reference * ICAO Reference * Distance Calculator * MAIW, Military AI & UKMil Reference
Speedbird5
Cadet
Cadet
Posts: 6
Joined: 25 Jan 2019, 09:10
Version: P3D

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by Speedbird5 »

Looking forward to the update. Thankyou.
User avatar
gavinc
MAIW Conversion Team
MAIW Conversion Team
Posts: 556
Joined: 25 Aug 2013, 09:26
Version: FSX

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by gavinc »

I should also point out the the _CC models that are part of the package have "normal" canopy behaviour, ie they open the canopy several minutes before push back and close the canopy before taxi.

Just FYI

Gavin
User avatar
Greg
MAIW Admin
MAIW Admin
Posts: 4043
Joined: 12 Aug 2006, 19:56
Version: MSFS
Location: Belgium

Re: AI F-18s flying with canopy open

Post by Greg »

An update is available for Matrix Oceania.

The standalone conversion package will be updated as soon as I can.
Locked