McChord Rodeo "07"

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 19 Mar 2008, 00:07

Here's a series of pic's of AI Hercules simulating a quick drop of heavy equipment without landing. Saw this one of the DVD's I have and thought it would be neat to try to have the AI's do it.

Formation flight

AFCAD is about 90% done. Flightplan just getting started.

Paul

Greg · Post by **Greg** » 19 Mar 2008, 09:57

Looks nice Paul !

I've found this this page on Wikipedia which lists last year's participants

Greg

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 19 Mar 2008, 20:59

Thanks for the Link Greg.

StealthHellion · Post by **StealthHellion** » 08 Jun 2008, 16:37

Will this include FP's for the C-17s as well?

Great Job!

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 08 Jun 2008, 20:34

The flightplans will include the C-17,C-5,KC-135 and the KC-10. Instead of a week long Rodeo it will be the weekend. They'll fly in on Friday and do a few exercises on Saturday and possibly Sunday and fly out on Sunday. It will also include an AFCAD for Brian Voigts excellent McChord scenery (which he kindly gave me permission to do ) ktcm_pnw.zip found at flightsim.com . The scenery states it is for the Pacific Northwest Mega Scenery, but you do not need the Mega Scenery for it to work. At least that's the plan. I had a few other thing come up so I had put it on the hold. I'll try and get back to it this week.

Paul

theoklahomaaviator · Post by **theoklahomaaviator** » 04 Jul 2008, 04:07

This is awesome work fellas! I love anything with the C-17 in it. I have developed an affection for the aircraft after seeing its impressive flight and static demo at a recent air show. Any update on your progress? Looking forward to this one for sure!
-Adam

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 04 Jul 2008, 19:54

Hey Adam, thanks for your kind words. I to love the C-17 it's one awesome piece of machinery. I plan on going to the McChord Air Show on the 19th & 20th of this month. The Thunderbirds will also be there.

As far as the project goes, I thought I had the AFCAD working good, but found a few more glitches. AAARRR.... There will be flightplans for 35 C-130's, 9 KC-135's, 11 C-17's, 7 C-5's and 6 KC-10's for a total of 68 aircraft. Unfortunately with this many aircraft you probably will see some aircraft taxi through one another.

Paul

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 23 Aug 2008, 03:51

Hey guys.....I've been on and off vacation the last 6 weeks along with some family issues in between. Things are getting back to normal so I'll have more time to work on the flightplans....I'm having some difficulties on the flightplans for the C-5's & C-17's doing TNG's at Grant County Airport at Moses Lake (KMWH) where the 62d Airlift Wing from McChord practices TNG's on RWY 9/27.

My problem is the C-5's will do a missed approach instead of a TNG.

Here is a sample

AC#56,87-0033,30%,24HR,VFR,14:30:00,TNG15:04:18,200,F,056,KMWH,15:05:18,15:39:36,195,F,056,KTCM
AC#57,87-0037,30%,24HR,VFR,15:30:00,TNG16:04:18,200,F,057,KMWH,16:05:17,16:39:35,195,F,057,KTCM

I've changed the flightplans around and I'm able to get them to land, but not to do a TNG.

I've tested it with the C-130's and it seems to works.
Here is a sample

AC#1,05-8156,30%,24HR,VFR,17:05:00,TNG17:43:28,150,F,001,KMWH,17:44:21,18:22:45,155,F,001,KTCM
AC#2,63-7815,30%,24HR,VFR,18:10:00,TNG18:48:28,150,F,002,KMWH,18:49:21,19:27:45,155,F,002,KTCM

I made an invisible airport (KMW1} on RWY 9/27 for the C-17's to do their TNG's. and tested it with PAI's 62nd AW by modifying their flightplans and it works like a charm.

Here is a sample

AC#9179,97-0042,50%,24Hr,VFR,14:18:45,TNG14:51:21,050,F,7042,KMW1,14:53:51,15:26:27,050,F,7042,KTCM,22:29:00,TNG23:01:36,050,F,7042,KMW1,23:03:56,23:36:32,050,F,7042,KTCM
AC#9178,98-0055,50%,24Hr,VFR,14:19:45,TNG14:52:16,050,F,8055,KMW1,14:53:51,15:26:27,050,F,8055,KTCM,22:30:00,TNG23:02:31,050,F,8055,KMW1,23:03:56,23:36:32,050,F,8055,KTCM

With my flightplans, the C-17 will do a missed approach.

Here is a sample

AC#54,62AW_01,30%,24HR,VFR,18:30:45,TNG19:03:21,190,F,054,KMW1,19:04:45,19:37:21,195,F,054,KTCM
AC#47,AW_0041,30%,24HR,VFR,18:00:45,TNG18:33:21,190,F,047,KMW1,18:34:58,19:07:34,195,F,047,KTCM

Any ideas or help will be appreciated.

Paul

ronniegj · Post by **ronniegj** » 23 Aug 2008, 04:05

I don't really know what the problem is, but as a thought, is the runway long enough to allow the C-5 to land, slow to taxi speed, then excellerate to t/o speed and rotate before the end of the the runway? If the runway isn't long enough, the ATC engine may be forcing a missed approach. Anyway, just a thought!

Ron

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 23 Aug 2008, 04:44

Hey Ron,
Yes, the runway is 13494 ft. Even when tested my flightplan with the C-17's on this runway for a TNG they also do a missed appoarch but not the PAI flightplans for the C-17's. It's driving me nuts.

Paul

Ford Friendly · Post by **Ford Friendly** » 23 Aug 2008, 08:34

Just a thought - and I don't know if this applies to only FSX.

But, is the weght capacity of the runway sufficient for the aircraft? In FSX that is adjustable.. I don't remember if it is in FS9.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 23 Aug 2008, 09:23

Not sure how to check that out, but I think it has something to do with my flightplans because the C-5's land there and the C-17's work perfectly in the PAI flightplans.

Paul

ronniegj · Post by **ronniegj** » 23 Aug 2008, 16:09

Try adding a minute or two, but no more, between end of TNG and begining of return to home base. Right now you only have 1 minute gap in the two examples you posted. This might help, as this gap can be sensitive and cause problems.

Ron

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 23 Aug 2008, 23:17

ronniegj wrote:Try adding a minute or two, but no more, between end of TNG and begining of return to home base. Right now you only have 1 minute gap in the two examples you posted. This might help, as this gap can be sensitive and cause problems.

Ron

Ron,
I just got thru trying that and it still doesn't work. I don't know if this means anything but the C-5's and C-17's take a different route in my fligthplan than in the PAI flightplan, even though they come from the same airport. They tend to go 15 to 20 miles around the airport where as in the PAI flightplan the C-17's go to the airport then turn to get in the approach pattern. The C-130's in my flightplan also go to the airport then turn to get in the approach pattern.

Paul

ronniegj · Post by **ronniegj** » 24 Aug 2008, 00:07

That sounds just like an IFR approach. Therefore, something is forcing an IFR approach on those two a/c in your flightplan. Check the fp's very carefully for possible mispellings etc. Be sure to remove the old traffic.bgl and compile a complete new file. If that doesn't fix it I'm at a loss.

I'm catching a flight to Athens in a few hours, so need to stop looking at this stuff and get a little shut eye. Good luck in solving this.

Ron

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 25 Aug 2008, 18:59

Hey Ron, I wanted to thank you for your help on this. Unfortunately that didn't work either. I'm going to try and make them do a TNG at Fairchild and see if that works.

Paul

ronniegj · Post by **ronniegj** » 26 Aug 2008, 07:13

Well, I got to Athens OK, and just now checked my emails and of course am making a visit to MAIW. Sorry to hear you are still having problems. Some one will surely come up with a solution. Good luck.

Ron

mikewmac · Post by **mikewmac** » 26 Aug 2008, 10:46

Paul wrote:Hey Ron, I wanted to thank you for your help on this. Unfortunately that didn't work either. I'm going to try and make them do a TNG at Fairchild and see if that works.

Paul

Paul,

If you flightplan a VFR AI flight at a flight level above 180, FS9 will automatically switch it to an IFR flight and therefore the VFR TNG's included in your following flightplans will become IFR missed approaches:

AC#56,87-0033,30%,24HR,VFR,14:30:00,TNG15:04:18,200,F,056,KMWH,15:05:18,15:39:36,195,F,056,KTCM
AC#57,87-0037,30%,24HR,VFR,15:30:00,TNG16:04:18,200,F,057,KMWH,16:05:17,16:39:35,195,F,057,KTCM

Try changing these flightplans to:

AC#56,87-0033,30%,24HR,VFR,14:30:00,TNG15:04:18,180,F,056,KMWH,15:05:18,15:39:36,175,F,056,KTCM
AC#57,87-0037,30%,24HR,VFR,15:30:00,TNG16:04:18,180,F,057,KMWH,16:05:17,16:39:35,175,F,057,KTCM

Then your AI C-5's should fly VFR TNG's instead of IFR missed approaches.

Mike

Psuls · Post by **Psuls** » 26 Aug 2008, 11:06

Mike, if I remember well, you told me that the C5 FDE was not intended to be used foir VFR flights, because of the large turns the Galaxy has to perform, right?

mikewmac · Post by **mikewmac** » 26 Aug 2008, 11:34

Psuls wrote:Mike, if I remember well, you told me that the C5 FDE was not intended to be used foir VFR flights, because of the large turns the Galaxy has to perform, right?

Pascal,

You remember correctly. I forgot all about the VFR pattern problems that the PSAI C-5 has due to its wide turns.

I guess I was so focused on Paul's problems with the PSAI C-5 flying IFR missed approaches when flightplanned to fly VFR TNG's that I forgot all about the fact that he probably shouldn't have been flightplanning it to fly VFR flights anyway.

Thanks for reminding me.

Mike

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