I wanted to throw this out on the boards since I have failed trying to fix this annoying problem today. It might be my specific setup, but I took a flight this afternoon, a simple F-18E Rhino from China Lake to El Centro @ 13,000ft IFR. When I got within about 60 miles of El Centro, I noticed I have a huge lake about 7,000ft deep just a huge hole in the middle of the city in the desert. I would say about 35 miles north of Miramar and 30 miles east of El Centro. I never noticed it before, but I also don't fly that far south in CA usually so for all I know it could have been there forever. Obviously in real life there is no crater in the middle of the desert there so its a problem, and its annoying as hell.
Any of you guys notice this issue with that general area? I think its beyond MAIW because I changed out the afcads and scenery but the scenery stayed the same with deep crater lake. I am at a loss on how to fix it, I have a feeling I might have to just ignore that area. The traffic is non existent at El Centro anyway, I mean all day I had no planes coming or going there. I am not sure but that whole area is messed up. I would appreciate any advice on how I can fix this land class or scenery issue. It looks like I have a 7000ft asteroid crater with a lake at the bottom of it in the middle of a city in the desert. Its weird. If I should be having more planes there let me know, I am about to overhaul and reinstall but I really don't want do that if I can get around it. Thanks guys.
Screenshots would help with lat/long or "Shift+z" to show position. I had a few of these East of Nellis, but the opposite as the Afcad2 file caused a spike in the ground for a few thousand feet. The normal elevation issues between FS9 and FSX are <100', but some need a second look to confirm.
This is way deeper than <100. Alright Chris, I will get on it tomorrow. Its strange, I only have issues at that spot and north of nellis i have like an 8000 ft spike. Other than that all good i guess. I would love it if my oceana looked better, but I got a weird dark brown or black border around it which bothers me. I am thinking about redoing my sim tomorrow.
dk1213 wrote:I wanted to throw this out on the boards since I have failed trying to fix this annoying problem today. It might be my specific setup, but I took a flight this afternoon, a simple F-18E Rhino from China Lake to El Centro @ 13,000ft IFR. When I got within about 60 miles of El Centro, I noticed I have a huge lake about 7,000ft deep just a huge hole in the middle of the city in the desert. I would say about 35 miles north of Miramar and 30 miles east of El Centro. I never noticed it before, but I also don't fly that far south in CA usually so for all I know it could have been there forever. Obviously in real life there is no crater in the middle of the desert there so its a problem, and its annoying as hell.
Any of you guys notice this issue with that general area? I think its beyond MAIW because I changed out the afcads and scenery but the scenery stayed the same with deep crater lake. I am at a loss on how to fix it, I have a feeling I might have to just ignore that area. The traffic is non existent at El Centro anyway, I mean all day I had no planes coming or going there. I am not sure but that whole area is messed up. I would appreciate any advice on how I can fix this land class or scenery issue. It looks like I have a 7000ft asteroid crater with a lake at the bottom of it in the middle of a city in the desert. Its weird. If I should be having more planes there let me know, I am about to overhaul and reinstall but I really don't want do that if I can get around it. Thanks guys.
Just did a quick flight up and down Imperial Valley from Thermal over to Borrego Springs and down to El Centro and back up over the Salton Sea (FSX with UT USA). No holes, just mountains and desert. Salton is at -219.5. Temperature at KNJK at 06:43 was 81°, clear skies.
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I can't figure out how to post the screenshot. I havent even set up my signature with a cool MAIW ADDICT banner. I never took the time to figure this stuff out. I will work on it today, thanks for making the flight. I am assuming its either UTX or GEX causing the issue. I recently installed ORBX Global. It can be any one of those and I just need to reinstall and delete the UTX and GEX and just keep the Orbx stuff now that I have them all. If you were to take off from El Centro due North east, in about 5 mins of flying in my sim you will be over "Crater Lake". I am trying to get a screenshot up for you guys. I will figure it out so I can get my "Cool" signature too. Pretty positive unless the Salton Sea looks deeper than the grand canyon its like 8 or 9 thousand feet deep. Its ridiculous, it looks ridiculous lol
You will see when i get the screenshot up what I mean.
Yep. Five minutes flying time (depending on what you're flying) will put you over the Salton Sea.
FTXGlobal is just textures . . . should/does not do any thing to mesh. You might check if UTX (Ultimate Traffic - right ?) might have replaced an afcad for one of the airports near Salton Sea - Desert Air Sky Ranch (63CA), Salton Sea (KSAS), or Cliff Hatfield (KCLR). They are all in the below sea level area. If their elevation is strange might cause the hole.
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No UTX is Ultimate terrain X. I use Traffic X but it actually kind of sucks but is better than the stock planes. I have Aerosoft My Traffic X 2013 but I haven't installed it yet. Not sure but I am gonna get the lat/long coords for you guys.
I just flew the dreaded El Centro to China Lake with my new Razbam EA6 Intruder and I am having a blast with it. I am certain that this is not a natural lake, I mean, my sim skips and all the autogen is in the air. It really sucks. Its actually right outside El Centro, above 1YUM waypoint. I have no idea what would cause this except maybe Ultimate terrain X. I am going to try and disable it next time I fly. I have the screenshots but I have nowhere to post them to get them on here. Here are the coordinates:
N33 5.95 w115 42.41
and it is over a pretty big area, Ground environment X doesn't have a landclass file, so I think it might be UTX. I am also impressed because I uninstalled Traffic X and installed aerosoft My Traffic X 2013 and my whole sim runs alot better. I actually think trafficx may have corrupted my traffic because now the radio does not stop before I couldn't even see barely anything flying at 100% traffic. I have ridiculous traffic everywhere its a really good and realistic traffic program. If you guys can help me out, and point me in the right direction on what this could be from I would appreciate it.
thanks!
If you have any scenery in that area that you have added, you should remove it to see if the addon scenery is the problem that way you can narrow it down to what could be causing it.
I think it is Ultimate terrain X. I won't know until tomorrow. I never fly my sim when a girl is here, I just feel stupid sitting there glued to the computer while she is around it must look ridiculous to her lol a 32 year old man in a trance with the screen with all these attachments and wires coming off his computer lol
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Dan;
Here's three shots from my FSX installation with Ultimate Terrain X - USA. Two are taken in the same co-ordinates and altitude as yours. As you can see, the sea level matches the shoreline.
If you think it's UTX you may have to uninstall and reinstall it.
But first I would follow DaleRFU's advice and see if you have installed any scenery within a hundred miles of the location.
Also you could check your El Centro installation and make sure you didn't accidentally include one of the VTP* files.
Good hunting !
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Thank you so much for your response. What is a VTP file and why is it bad? Would it produce this effect the black here I am really trying to get to the bottom of this. These are the two biggest and most annoying issues I deal with in my sim. If it isn't the UTX, then maybe Ground environment x? Otherwise I have no other add ons except ORBX Global, but I just installed that so I know it isn't that. If you help me fix these issues I will be forever indebted, I mean I been stressing with this all weekend and its starting to really frustrate the hell out of me. Yes there were 3 VTP files: El_Centro_Photo1_VTPH.bgl
0_El_Centro_Exclusions_VTPX.bgl
El_Centro_Photo_VTPP.bgl
with in 100 miles there is 1YUM, Yuma, Miramar, I mean there are a ton of airports around there I wouldn't know what I am even looking for.
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Thanks Joe. I just had to restore my system I was trying to adjust my ai times so they wait longer and dont disappear after 5 mins. I installed the worst possibe utility ever called AITP-X. For some reason, It destroyed my Fsx integrity and I had to restore my system just to get the game to work again, and I am not even sure it will work the way its supposed to I am waiting for it to load now. If you ever see that tool never downad it It made it so when you open FSX it waits 5 seconds and gives you a fatal error Realy frustrating.
lol
level matches the shoreline. 
I am really trying to get to the bottom of this. These are the two biggest and most annoying issues I deal with in my sim. If it isn't the UTX, then maybe Ground environment x? Otherwise I have no other add ons except ORBX Global, but I just installed that so I know it isn't that. If you help me fix these issues I will be forever indebted, I mean I been stressing with this all weekend and its starting to really frustrate the hell out of me. Yes there were 3 VTP files: El_Centro_Photo1_VTPH.bgl