Carrier Traffic

Javier Tapia · Post by **Javier Tapia** » 05 May 2008, 00:13

Hi,
As a small project for saturday night with nothing to do... I wanted to create traffic for an aircraft carrier (actually LHA-1 USS Tarawa) the sing is that, i got the choppers to take off and move around the deck, but when it comes to landing they just wont land. They fly over the deck, and go around. This even if there is no other aircraft on the carrier.
Ive tried adding all navaids possible, VFR, IFR, changing the altitude in the airport.txt of the traffic file, but still nothing.

Is there someone around that knows what the issue is?

BTW: I'm ussing the Seaking AI helicopter available in avsim, with the .AIR file of MAIW (Elvis) S-75 of the Carib. Defence Force

Thanks!

ricktk · Post by **ricktk** » 05 May 2008, 01:06

I seemed to recall a problem with AI that normally land down on the runway, and then supposedly do not have enought room to land, and do a missed approach. My guess is, and only a guess, is extend the invisible hard runway of your carrier out past the stern some. Maybe try 50m to start. I know many of the oil rigs helipads have hardened surfaces that are larger then the visible pad itself. Of course, do not extend the hold short and taxiway to the runway past the stern.

Worth a try, I guess, even if it does not work.

Sorry cannot be more of a help.

Javier Tapia · Post by **Javier Tapia** » 05 May 2008, 01:12

I'll give it a try, but I have those same aircrafts landing on even shorter runways...

Javier Tapia · Post by **Javier Tapia** » 05 May 2008, 02:21

OK... I got it to work, it was an aircraft problem, the helicopter I was using wasn't suitable...

ricktk · Post by **ricktk** » 06 May 2008, 01:06

Glad you got it to work. Looking forward to what you may develop! As a ground pounder, I love these helicopter ops!

Victory103 · Post by **Victory103** » 06 May 2008, 01:44

Javier,
Please post what you have working now (screenshots). Helos are my real world life and any working AI in FS9 is a plus!

Javier Tapia · Post by **Javier Tapia** » 06 May 2008, 02:02

There's not much yet to show but basically, my idea was have marines storming a beach by helos and LCAC's... nothing too fancy, 8 helos (currently the Abacus HH-60 AI from FD5 with NAVY titles for now) take of, and fly in formation 2 aircraft (they fly close, but not in formation really) and land simultaneusly on the beach (that is done, I think it looks cool when they fly very close), also added an LCAC (AI, don't remember where I got it from) departing from LHA-1 USS Tarawa and stoping at the same beech as the helos.

Finally I'm trying to add a flightplan that uses a waypoint I created over the beech to represent air support, but I haven't been able to undestand flightplans with waypoints yet (If someone has a simple template with a plane taking off, flying to the waypoint and returning, I would really apreciate it) since there is no AI Cobra... I'll have to wait for the Harrier...

Finally I what to add some scenry: some HMVEEs and soldiers, tents, etc. thow I haven't found anything I can use with RWY12 except for some pilots.

And that for now. I'll try to take some screens later.

Javier Tapia · Post by **Javier Tapia** » 07 May 2008, 19:33

Hey Victory, sorry for the delay, but here are some screenshots of what I've done until now.

(thats all the traffic for now)

Thats for now... I'm having trouble with the LCAC traffic, looks like I still don't master that part of AFCADing jeje

Ford Friendly · Post by **Ford Friendly** » 08 May 2008, 00:34

Javier Tapia wrote:Finally I what to add some scenry: some HMVEEs and soldiers, tents, etc. thow I haven't found anything I can use with RWY12 except for some pilots.

Look for these files on avsim:
Fences and Gates - Military - fences.zip
MCD Modern Military - mcdmil.zip
Military Ground Service Equipment Library 1 - jgse_j3.zip (maybe not as these are mostly yellow)
Military Ground Service Equipment Library 2 - ggse_j3.zip
EZ German Patriot Missiles - german_patriot_missiles.zip (might not be "placeable anywhere")
EZ-Patriot Missiles - ez-patriot_msl.zip (these ARE "placeable anywhere")

There are other static objects that people made with macros - something no longer supported in FSX it seems, so I don't have those files.

And some packages include usable military static objects ijn their bgls - unfortunately, I do not have a list of those. The way I "keep rediscovering them" is when I use Instant Scenery and just go browsing through the files looking for something to place into my FSX scenes.

For something different, take a look at this file:
82nd Airborne FX - Desert Camo - 82abd-fx.zip
Description Quote - "this FX is for my friends in the Army Airborne and those serving over in Iraq. These FX files allow you to drop a number of camouflaged paratroopers from the DC-3, JU-52, DeHaviland Otter, and now the C-130."

Hope this helps.

Javier Tapia · Post by **Javier Tapia** » 08 May 2008, 01:52

Thanks Ford!

I'll take a look at themsee if I can make the LZ look a little more alive

EDIT: mmm.. does anyboy knows how to get EZ libraries to work with RWY12? google doesn't seem to be helping

Ford Friendly · Post by **Ford Friendly** » 08 May 2008, 02:58

I know that Instant Scenery allows the use of ez-scenery objects as well as rwy-12 objects. IS is a follow-on pprogram to an earlier version (the name escapes me right now). IS is well worth the investment in my opinion because of its versatility.

Here are a few more files you might find worth taking a look at. I found hem while browsing avsim. (And I havent a clue how to use api macros, but there are a ton that I would love to use if they worked in FSX!)

BGL to XML Decompiler.... bglx120.zip
.... BGLXML 1.2 , by Alessandro G. Antonini (C)2004 this is an utility which
disassembles BGL files into new FS2004 format and produces an XML file to be compiled with Microsoft BGLCOMP (from FS2004 SDK). Besides disassembling all BGL records, it is also able to extract .MDL files from ModelData sections.

105mm Towed Split-Tail Howitzer.. howitzer.zip
12 Macro'sof Hardened Aircraft Shelter NV abri_has_v2.zip
122mm Rocket Launcher Site.. 122rcket.zip
175mm and 8 inch Self Propelled Howitzers.. 175sp8sp.zip
AN/MPQ-4A Countermortar Radar.. .. q4radar.zip
Antenna Towers - Military Special Forces or HAM.. .... antennas.zip
Bomb Grates (Military Metal Pallets).... grates.zip
Boston Whaler Military Police Boat.... whaler.zip
CH-47 Chinook Helicopter.. chinook.zip.. API macro
Deuce & a Half Towing.. deucetow.zip.. API macro
EZ Fuel Tanks for EZ-Scenery.. ez_fuel_tanks.zip.. three horizontal fuel storage tanks
EZ-Patriot Missiles.. ez-patriot_msl.zip
EZScenery C-130 Hercules.. ez_c130a.zip
F4 Phantom Jet Fighter.. phantom.zip.. API macro
Fences and Gates - Military.. fences.zip
Fifteen Military Buildings #7.. bldgs7.zip.. API macro
Five Military Buildings #1.. bldgs1.zip.. .. API macro
Five Military Bunkers #3.. bunkers3.zip.. .. API macro
Five Small Bridges.. bridgesm.zip.... API macro
Floating Pier, 4 ft x 100 ft long.. pierflot.zip.. API macro
Four Military Buildings #4.. bldgs4.zip.. API macro
Generic Military Style Hanger Library.... ez_mil_hgrs.zip
GP Medium Army Mess Tent.... tentmess.zip.. API macro
GP Medium Army Tent.. tentmed.zip.. API macro
GP Small Army Tent.. .. tentsmal.zip.. API macro
Hardened Aircraft Shelter.. abri_has.zip.. API macro
High detail Surface-To-Air Missile on Launcher with Truck.. fmsams10.zip .. in *.api and *.scm formats
High detail Willys M151 JEEP With Lighs On.... vmjeep10.zip.. in *.api and *.scm formats
High detail 3D Phased Array Radar Site with Rotating Antenna and Truck.. fmrads20.zip .. in *.api and *.scm formats..
High detail 3D Radar Site with Rotating Antenna and Truck.. fmrads10.zip.... in *.api and *.scm formats
High Detail GMC M-35 Fuel and Container Carrier and ECM Truck With Lights On.. vmtgmc20.zip.. in *.api and *.scm formats
High Detail GMC M-35 Truck Load Carrier With Lighs On.. vmtgmc10.zip.. in *.api and *.scm formats
Liberty Ship.. libertyship.zip.... api, bgl and mdl
Library for Bell 206B Helo.. .. h_lib2a.zip
Low Res 5 Ton Vietnam Era Trucks.. 5tlowres.zip.. .. API macro
Low Res Deuce & a Half Vietnam Era Trucks.. .... 25tlowres.zip.. .. API macro
Low Res M37 Vietnam Era 3/4 Ton Truck.. .. 25tlowres.zip.. .. API macro
M109 Tracked Tank Recovery Vehicle.... wrecker.zip.. API macro
M113 Vietnam era Armored Personel Carrier.. m113apc.zip.. API macro
M151 Vietnam Era Jeep api macro.... jeepm151.zip.. API macro
M37 Vietnam Era 3/4 Ton Truck api macro.. truck3_4.zip.. API macro
M48 Vietnam War era Patton Tank.. tankm48.zip.... API macro
Military Buildings #8.. bldgs8.zip.... API macro
Military Control Towers.. towrctrl.zip.. .. API macro
Military Guard Towers.... twrguard.zip.... API macro
Military Harbor Master and Searchlight Towers.. twrharbr.zip.. API macro
Military Police Ski Barge.. skibarge.zip.. API macro
Military Shower Tower and Water Trailer.. shower.zip.. API macro
Miscelleanous Objects for EZ-Scenery Vol. 2.. lfobjlb2.zip.. ((Guard shack, roadside check-point building, 3 chimneys, 1 red striped road gate ))
Quad 50 Machine Gun.. quad50.zip.. API macro
Rome Plow - Vietnam War era Buldozer.. romeplow.zip.. .. API macro
Six Military Buildings #2.. bldgs2.zip.. .. .. API macro
Six Military Buildings #3.. bldgs3.zip.. .. .. API macro
Six Military Buildings #5.. bldgs5.zip.. .. .. API macro
Six Military Bunkers #2.. .. bunkers2.zip.. .. API macro
Small Fortification for Air Defence Facilities.. bmfaas10.zip.. in *.api and *.scm formats
Ten Military Bunkers #1.... bunkers1.zip.. .. API macro
Three Military Bunkers #4.. bunkers4.zip.. .. API macro
Three Military Bunkers #7.. bunkers7.zip.. .. API macro
Truck Load Carrier.. .. .. vmtman10.zip.. in *.api and *.scm formats
Two Man Army Tent.. tent2man.zip.. .. .. API macro
Two Military Bunkers #5.. .. bunkers5.zip.. .. API macro
Two Military Bunkers #6.. bunkers6.zip.. .. API macro
Two Military Bunkers #8.. bunkers8.zip.. .. API macro
UH-1 Huey Helicopter.... uh1huey.zip.. .. API macro
Underground Airport Facility Macro Package for Air Force Bases.. bmhngu10.zip.. "macro package"
US Army C130 Transport Aircraft.. c130.zip.. .. .. API macro
US Navy LST.. lst.zip.. API macro
US Navy Swiftboat.. swiftbt.zip.. .. API macro
USSR jets .api static objects.. rusjet.zip.. .... API macro
Vintage Military Buildings SS.... vintage_military_ss.zip
Weathered Quonset Hut.... fsf_quonset_hut.zip
Zig Zag Trenches - Military.... trenches.zip.. API macro

Javier Tapia · Post by **Javier Tapia** » 08 May 2008, 03:34

MMM.... this is getting way past my abilities...

Ford Friendly · Post by **Ford Friendly** » 08 May 2008, 03:38

Javier Tapia wrote:MMM.... this is getting way past my abilities...

Mine too.. which is why I stick with Instnat Scenery object placements.

Javier Tapia · Post by **Javier Tapia** » 08 May 2008, 04:09

how much does it costs?

I´m trying to keep my shopings to a minimum right now, but if it's not much I could always make an exception

Ford Friendly · Post by **Ford Friendly** » 08 May 2008, 09:38

Javier Tapia wrote:how much does it costs?

24.95 USD
http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=instscen

Review on avsim
http://www.avsim.com/pages/1207/Instant ... cenery.htm

Here's their support forum
http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_topics.asp?FID=31

Disclaimer. I'm not associated with Flight1.

Javier Tapia · Post by **Javier Tapia** » 08 May 2008, 12:25

Ok Thanks

And don't worry, I never thought you were promoting your products jajaja

Victory103 · Post by **Victory103** » 08 May 2008, 15:58

Great job so far. The mil scenery is great, some actually has animation. I have the FD4 HH-60, which is far from being a true AI model.

robystar · Post by **robystar** » 19 May 2008, 14:58

Hi Javier,

I am not very good at xml and such so I design my own scenery the old way using EOD (Easy Object Designer) and FSSC (Flight Simulator Scenery Creator) and make my own static objects which is a lot of fun. Both programs were made for FS8 but can be easily used in FS9. For moving objects I use AI converted vehicles and sometimes repaint them in camouflage colors.
My sceneries are not perfect but as they are for my own amusement, who cares.

Roby