helo AI

scottr5213 · Post by **scottr5213** » 20 May 2009, 20:48

When doing AI flight plans for helo's is there any speical considerations you have to do? I found an AI CH-53 that I was going to put at Kaneohe Bay.

kungfuman · Post by **kungfuman** » 20 May 2009, 22:09

You may want to consider doing an "overlay" afcad for them, so they don't use the runway and taxiways in the same way as fixed-wing aircraft (see examples of this in the latest MAIW WAH-64 Apache release). Then when you do your flightplans, route them to the overlaid heli airport instead of the usual one.

Just an idea...

f4nutter · Post by **f4nutter** » 20 May 2009, 22:15

i did an overlay afcad for the 1st anniversary airshow package, and have helo's arriving and departing on the west side by the hangers.

flyerkg · Post by **flyerkg** » 20 May 2009, 22:53

I previously made an overlay for MCAF Kaneohe Bay as well. It was almost too short for the ai version of the CH-53E that I was using. I did the AFCAD to align with the Megascenery Honolulu.

Keith

Victory103 · Post by **Victory103** » 20 May 2009, 23:07

Which AI version did you find? Or was it just labeled a AI helo?

scottr5213 · Post by **scottr5213** » 21 May 2009, 03:47

It's not a true blooded AI, it's an AIR file by Rob Nieuwenhoven and Holger Sandmann to be used with Rory Kelly's CH-53.

I was looking at google earth and saw that there were some CH-53's running around and thought that would be neat to have some there

flyerkg · Post by **flyerkg** » 21 May 2009, 07:39

It was the same Ch-53 for me. Takeoff roll is several hundred feet then nose pitches up high for climb. I can't complain though.

Chrisb · Post by **Chrisb** » 21 May 2009, 08:25

I use an air file 'stemme _as_helicopter' for the CH53 and others where there is no AI version. I think it's an amended glider air file. Is that the same one? Take off is fairly short and it seems to work okay.

Chris

scottr5213 · Post by **scottr5213** » 21 May 2009, 12:02

I think were talking about the same AIR file.

swp53 · Post by **swp53** » 21 May 2009, 17:27

Or purchase Heli Traffic 2009 (works in FS9 and FSX) and let the external AI engine control the Heli action of your installed AI Helicopters so they lift off realisticly and you can make your own flightplans for your installed AI Helicopters and install helipads where you want them.

Regards,
Steve.

maddog65 · Post by **maddog65** » 21 May 2009, 17:45

I like this program. The helo's were very realistic in take off and landing. The only thing that bothers me is at military fields you can't have them taxi out to the pad from the ramp and then take off. At least I haven't been able to figure it out yet if it is possible.

scottr5213 · Post by **scottr5213** » 21 May 2009, 21:12

What about height restrictions ie low level flying.

flyerkg · Post by **flyerkg** » 21 May 2009, 22:46

I also have the Heli Traffic 2009 for FSX. I haven't started using it yet. I do appreciate the comments concerning Helo AI.

ricktk · Post by **ricktk** » 22 May 2009, 03:19

What about height restrictions ie low level flying.

On the random traffic you set a height above ground.
On the scheduled traffic you can set each scheduled flight to any particular height. I have some at Ft. Campbell flying treetop level. You can also set individual landing spots with different angles of descent. Set waypoints along the way.

One big fault at the moment, is the scheduled flights start randomly, at different points along their schedule, so no formation flights, but they are working on changing that in the next update, by allowing fixed start points and times. Works great with the Navy and USCG helios, where this is mostly not the case.

If I can get some time, I will post a vid of some of it.

msm8378 · Post by **msm8378** » 25 May 2009, 01:39

Not 100% positive if they are still there, but 15+ years ago USMC HMM-365 was based there, flying CH-53E. My kid brother was a flight engineer on one.

I add this to the thread just in case you get all working correctly and want to do some repaints, at least you will have an idea of who they belong to...

scottr5213 · Post by **scottr5213** » 25 May 2009, 15:00

What Scramble shows is

HMT-301
HMH-362
HMH-363
HMH-366
HMH-463

flyerkg · Post by **flyerkg** » 28 May 2009, 04:01

CH-53Ds are there.

These are probably the only 2 engined variants still with the Marine Corps.
I have an old friend who commanded one of these squadrons a few years ago and I asked why they never got the 53E there.
It was a peculiar story line in response. Something to do with hoping for MV-22 Osprey sooner than later.

Either way it makes for good AI scenery...

Keith

scottr5213 · Post by **scottr5213** » 30 May 2009, 15:30

Would someone out there be able to explane how to do overlaying AFCADS so I cam have helo takeoffs.

Victory103 · Post by **Victory103** » 30 May 2009, 17:14

Do a search on here as there is a thread on it exactly how. I just finished doing one for the SH-3 package by lewis to get them to use helipads and not clog the runway as NAS Jacksonville, FL. Basically you are making a separate AFCAD with only the links, ie no runway/ramp visuals to "overlay" the airport you want. Runway has to be 500' for the AI helos to use. Also most helo traffic patterns are lower than fixed wing.

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