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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
Jim, I'd come to the same conclusion about the pylons on the clean version. I'll remove them. Am I OK with the longer length SLAM missiles on the other version or should I install Harpoon D's?
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
People tend to forget that is how the P-3 came into existence too.Firebird wrote:Simples! Cost.
Cheaper to mod some civvie plane that exists than to build from scratch.
Those are looking great John. Glad you decided to do the Advanced Airborne Sensor version.
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
Might want to pull them on the Sensor version too since they wouldn't leave them hanging while the radar was in use.John Young wrote:Jim, I'd come to the same conclusion about the pylons on the clean version. I'll remove them.
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
I assume they will have a RAF refuelling probe fitted at the Boeing facility at Lossiemouth. JY may want have that in preparation. I'm guessing the RAF will reactivate one of the Kinloss Squadrons.Firebird wrote:From what I understand the RAF ones will be standard P-8As with standard US weapons initially but that is a couple of years away yet.
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
This looks great again John !
You have added so much already to our FS world, many thanks !
You have added so much already to our FS world, many thanks !
Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
I did check and there is no announcement yet. If they do activate one of the ex-Nimrod sqns it will most likely be 42 as it is the lowest number. The RAF have made a concerted effort to use the low numbers and go away from historical numbers so it could be one in the low 20s.VulcanDriver wrote:I assume they will have a RAF refuelling probe fitted at the Boeing facility at Lossiemouth. JY may want have that in preparation. I'm guessing the RAF will reactivate one of the Kinloss Squadrons.
There has been no announcement on the probe aspect. The only thing they have said is standard A's with American weapons initially. You get the feeling that this is to get them into service quicker and reduce testing costs. My guess is that once in service they will talk about a refueling update if they find they definitely need one. Likewise Boscombe Down will likely be do the testing for altering weapon fits.
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
I do hope it's 42 as I have a family connection with the Nimrods at St Mawgen. There was a comment about the lack refuelling probe by a RAF officer who said on long range patrols we need it. I guess it will be retrofitted by Cobham aka Flight Refuelling at EGHH
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
I think that Boscombe Down will be busy with this plane. After all the Nimrods never had probes until the Falklands and that was designed, tested and fitted in 30 days.
My guess would be that it will be fitted as each aircraft goes through its first major.
My guess would be that it will be fitted as each aircraft goes through its first major.
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
Nimrod too.clickclickdoh wrote:People tend to forget that is how the P-3 came into existence too.
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
AFAIK the only MPA that weren't derived from "civilian" airframes were the Atlantic/Atlantique and the new XP-1.Firebird wrote:Nimrod too.clickclickdoh wrote:People tend to forget that is how the P-3 came into existence too.
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You mean like 617Firebird wrote:VulcanDriver wrote:I did check and there is no announcement yet. If they do activate one of the ex-Nimrod sqns it will most likely be 42 as it is the lowest number. The RAF have made a concerted effort to use the low numbers and go away from historical numbers so it could be one in the low 20s.
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
I've seen photos of the "seedcorn" guys alongside a SLAM fitted airframe.John Young wrote:Jim, I'd come to the same conclusion about the pylons on the clean version. I'll remove them. Am I OK with the longer length SLAM missiles on the other version or should I install Harpoon D's?
John
So either/both are valid options AFAIK..
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
There's a couple more, but not many. The P-2 Neptune, S-2 Tracker and S-3 Viking come to mind. The later two of course having to be clean sheet designs because slinging small civilian aircraft off of a carrier would be hilariously disastrous... providing you weren't in it when they tried.jimrodger wrote:AFAIK the only MPA that weren't derived from "civilian" airframes were the Atlantic/Atlantique and the new XP-1.
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
For some reason they exclude 617, they also had various others that they would keep going for heritage reasons, like 92 and 111. However, even the golden oldies are now seen as fair game. 208 has now gone and if it comes back I am betting it will be as 19.jimrodger wrote:You mean like 617
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
Jim, thanks for the Harpoon/SLAM input.
Steve, I assume the RAF P-8As will be paid for in US Dollars. Does that mean we lose one from the order in order to compensate for the drop in exchange rate?
John
Steve, I assume the RAF P-8As will be paid for in US Dollars. Does that mean we lose one from the order in order to compensate for the drop in exchange rate?
John
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
Going back to the weapons.... I always liked this one
And what might have been....
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
I doubt it, mate. For simple reason is that you don't pay up front. A down payment with the order and rest on delivery. So the rate of the pound at the moment is not that important.
The other thing is that 9 is a weird order number which means they have worked out exactly what resources they think they need. So dropping the number is not going to happen. What might get affected is in the future if they want to order more, like Aus and India, they may reject that as an option.
The UK order is spread over 3 production batches over 3 years. So again, the Brexit vote is not likely to be that important. Remember the price changes not only when the pound goes down but also if the Dollar goes up.
The other thing to take into account is that you can fix the exchange rate in the contract for precisely the reason of currency fluctuation a number of years in the future.
The other thing is that 9 is a weird order number which means they have worked out exactly what resources they think they need. So dropping the number is not going to happen. What might get affected is in the future if they want to order more, like Aus and India, they may reject that as an option.
The UK order is spread over 3 production batches over 3 years. So again, the Brexit vote is not likely to be that important. Remember the price changes not only when the pound goes down but also if the Dollar goes up.
The other thing to take into account is that you can fix the exchange rate in the contract for precisely the reason of currency fluctuation a number of years in the future.
Steve
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
Gotta wonder how big of a part of the Airseeker program was to making this happen? Having RAF crews embedded with USAF crews out of Offutt AFB worked really well to stand up the three RAF Airseekers. My understanding is that the same will occur with the RAF P-8s as well.
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
Seemingly the seedcorn guys in situ at the moment are going to be the core RAF trainers, they'll train the other non-P8 seedcorners in the US and then eventually any RAF aircrew that have maritime in their previous history had better get ready to move to Lossiemouth, to the point of pulling from other platforms as necessary.MIKE JG wrote:Gotta wonder how big of a part of the Airseeker program was to making this happen? Having RAF crews embedded with USAF crews out of Offutt AFB worked really well to stand up the three RAF Airseekers. My understanding is that the same will occur with the RAF P-8s as well.
Jim
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Re: P-3 Orion on the way out, need the P-8
The RAF have crew on the P-8s with VP-30
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