Blackburn Buccaneer

[BLACKCAT]

Getting airborne by retracting the gear will certainly be a challenge for your flight dynamics expert. There were only two flight phases that I can recall seeing a Bucc above 8' with the gear down and take-off wasn't one of them!

[Firebird]

Oooh, you are not thinking of a tailplane anim for take off are you?

[John Young]

I was going to set the tailpalne as a "spoiler" Steve, so that as the Buccaneer touches down the tailplane rotates downwards 10 degrees and restores after the landing roll. I was also going to set the tail cone airbrakes as "flaps" (landing only) so that they are deployed on approach, which seems characteristic. Does that sound reasonable?

John

[Firebird]

Sounds very reasonable and very nice.
I am trying hard to remember whether the Bucc deployed its airbrakes in the circuit or not, should have taken more notice, if they do then using the flaps is no problem. If not then it might be simpler to use the code that Nick used for his speed brake deployments on landing. By default they come out at 50' AGL, if the gear and flaps are is down, but you can alter that to any height you want to really.

We may have to find somebody more familiar with Bucc operations than myself to answer that one.

[brianf51]

Sounds very reasonable and very nice.
I am trying hard to remember whether the Bucc deployed its airbrakes in the circuit or not, should have taken more notice, if they do then using the flaps is no problem. If not then it might be simpler to use the code that Nick used for his speed brake deployments on landing. By default they come out at 50' AGL, if the gear and flaps are is down, but you can alter that to any height you want to really.

We may have to find somebody more familiar with Bucc operations than myself to answer that one.

Try here Steve

http://buccsociety.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=login

http://www.blackburn-buccaneer.co.uk/

Brian

[Firebird]

I have spent all morning looking for Bucc footage and all I can tell, definitively, is that they have it open for finals. No shots of Buccs in the circuit, where you can tell if they are open or closed.
So unless we get some first hand knowledge either you need to set the height for opening at least 750' or when full flap is reached, whichever seems most appropriate once the fde is set.

[BLACKCAT]

The Bucc always landed with the airbrake open and it was deployed on the turn onto final so well above 200'.

This is what I was refferring to; a 'classic' Bucc take-off. Airborne by retracting the gear!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... z3ECzpu6CQ

[brianf51]

Steve,

If you ask on the Buccsociety forum you'll definitely get the info, there's a lot of ex-Bucc people on there. You'll have to create an account first though.

Brian

[John Young]

Thank you Steve for the time spent on the air brake practice. I'll review that a bit down stream. Right now I'm just animating the main gear to get it out of it's hole and down. It took me 4 hours just to cut out the well and make the curved door.

John

[Firebird]

I am not surprised, John. That area is a bit of a nightmare, shape-wise.

[BLACKCAT]

John, just to clear up the airbrake (from the pilot's notes)

'The turn on to the final approach should be made at an airspeed of 145kts, flaps and aileron droop having been lowered fully and airbrakes selected OUT.............Airspeed should then be progessively reduced to runaway threshold speed of 130kts.'

[John Young]

Thanks Blackcat, that makes it easy then. If the airbrake coincides with flaps full, then I can just use the stock part name and no custom xml is needed. Gear is all working and fits the "holes.

John

[DaleRFU]

Sounds good John, can't wait to see it.

[AndyG43]

All sounding good, I await the first screenies with bated breath.

Is it worth mentioning that I'm having a little play with ADE? If John is kind enough to provide us with a Buccaneer then Ican at least try to provide it with a basic home - or do I mean Holme?

[brianf51]

All sounding good, I await the first screenies with bated breath.

Is it worth mentioning that I'm having a little play with ADE? If John is kind enough to provide us with a Buccaneer then Ican at least try to provide it with a basic home - or do I mean Holme?

Honington?

[AndyG43]

All sounding good, I await the first screenies with bated breath.

Is it worth mentioning that I'm having a little play with ADE? If John is kind enough to provide us with a Buccaneer then Ican at least try to provide it with a basic home - or do I mean Holme?

Honington?

Blimey Brian, bit of a clue in my post!!!

[Garysb]

All sounding good, I await the first screenies with bated breath.

Is it worth mentioning that I'm having a little play with ADE? If John is kind enough to provide us with a Buccaneer then Ican at least try to provide it with a basic home - or do I mean Holme?

Honington?

More like Holme-on-spalding moor

one from Greenham Common - notice the brakes open when parked




Gary

[AndyG43]

More like Holme-on-spalding moor

Gary

Well done that man. There is an ok-ish Honington out there somewhere, but HOSM hasn't been touched since FS2002; not saying I won't look at Honington later, but it is a case of priorities (and being a complete novice!!! ).

[Garysb]

Just fields now


Gary

[brianf51]

All sounding good, I await the first screenies with bated breath.

Is it worth mentioning that I'm having a little play with ADE? If John is kind enough to provide us with a Buccaneer then Ican at least try to provide it with a basic home - or do I mean Holme?

Honington?

Blimey Brian, bit of a clue in my post!!!

Supposed to be a bit tongue in cheek